These photos came through on railpictures.net

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 7&nseq=202

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 657&nseq=0

The pacific seems to have the longest smokebox I have ever seen and both seem to have had bolted on cylinders. The pacific is reputedly a 4 cylinder. I would love to know more about these girl, especially the pacific. They are very unusual beasts.

According to "Steam Locomotives of the Eastern European Railroads" by A.E. Durrant in 1973 the 301 class were built in 1911-12. They were the first superheated locomotives in the country. The first two were simple and the next two were four cylinder compounds. The low pressure cylinders were outside and the high pressure ones inside the plate frames. These were inclined and somewhat ahead of the outer ones. Drive was divided between the first and second drive axles. Another 18 simples were built in 1913. Fifteen of these, including one of the compounds, went to Roumania in 1919 after WW I. You are correct that the cylinders were bolted on, as this was the standard practice for plate frames, widely used in the UK. Until the use of cast locomotive bed including the integral cylinders I think you would find bolts used in North America as well.

Ron Goldfeder
St. Louis

Thanks for the information Ron. I have to say she looks like a monster pacific. Maybe it's the angle of the photo, the plate frame, or the lack of cylinders but she looks so hugs. Also the smokebox looks like it's 12 feet long. I would be very interested in see a photo of her in service.

I didn't comment because I wasn't able to comment on the specific locos in the photos, but what I had on hand for Hungarian steam indicates two things:

1) Aw, that's nothing. Hungary had quite a lot of a) long smokeboxes and b) bizarre-appearing steamers (how about a streamlined 4-4-4T?);

2) Compared to what photos I could find of other Hungarian Pacifics and 4-6-0's, these locos are FAR more stripped down that just about ANY scrap-yard steamers I have ever come across, far worse than the "lost engines of Roanoke," the ones in the Woodhams yard in Barry, Wales, or anything short of those locos abandoned in obscure parts of the Ukraine or Siberia.

I looked on line and found a Google search under MÁV 301 gets an excellent description at http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%81V_301. It has photos, but none in service. One of these appears to be in a railway museum, with the four cylinders visible in front. You will have to translate the Hungarian, but I'm sure there are other sites which will be in English somewhere by European fans.

Ron Goldfeder
St. Louis

The photos do remind me a lot of the 1151. It is the most stripped of the "Lost Engines", although it does still have it's cylinders.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=308677

Gary
Thread-Hijack, Va

Nothing looks deader than a derelict steam engine.