American diesels, which were once used to haul sugar cane trains in Hawaii until the late 1950s, can be found at various Cuban sugar mills.

Anybody know anything about them?

hankmorris@earthlink.net

> American diesels, which were once used to
> haul sugar cane trains in Hawaii until the
> late 1950s, can be found at various Cuban
> sugar mills.

> Anybody know anything about them?

Gawd, Cuba is CHOCK FULL of HUNDREDS of 70- to 120-year-old American-built steam locomotives--many still operating--and he's asking about Hawaiian diesels.

[*shakes head in disbelief*]

Would someone kindly show this poor, deluded chap on the error of his ways and set him down the true, righteous, and steamy rails to righteousness? Hitting him with a #7 coal scoop, if necessary?

( <;-) all tongue-in-cheek, I assure you--I'm a card-carrying member in two British diesel preservation groups!)

LNER4472@bcpl.net

> Gawd, Cuba is CHOCK FULL of HUNDREDS of 70-
> to 120-year-old American-built steam
> locomotives--many still operating--and he's
> asking about Hawaiian diesels.

Are there really HUNDREDS?

Railway Preservation News
hkading@rypn.org

> Are there really HUNDREDS?

To date, roughly 400 in "Surviving World Steam Locomotives" for Cuba; of which only a dozen or two are built outside the USA.

Also, lots of stationary steam engines, and at least one British-built steam fire engine.

-James Hefner
Hebrews 10:20a

Surviving World Steam Locomotives
james1@pernet.net

I know that two 30" diesels from the Lihue RR
are in use (or at least exist) at CAI Rafael Freyre in NE Cuba.

Adolph Hungry Wolf has a recent tape on the line that shows them in action.

Personally I prefer the 7 Baldwin 2-8-0s and the tiny 0-6-0. But diesels are better than no trains at all. (Grin!)

Best Regards,
Glenn


christenseng@altavista.com

> To date, roughly 400 in "Surviving
> World Steam Locomotives" for Cuba; of
> which only a dozen or two are built outside
> the USA.

> Also, lots of stationary steam engines, and
> at least one British-built steam fire
> engine.

> -James Hefner

GOSH!
> Hebrews 10:20a


Texas Steam
hkading@rypn.org

I know of two of our more prominant steam operators and restorationists(nameless for obvious reasons) who left just this weekend for you know where south of Florida. On of the reasons they are headed there is to check progress on the 0-6-2 Porta is cooking up.

I don't, however, think they are real concerned about diesels, although they did come back with a photo last year of a sister to the D&R's ex CN GMD 1151.

It may come as a surprise, but there are legitimate, State Department approved, bring back up to 50 cigars and 2 bottles of rum per person, LEGAL !!! trips going to Cuba all the time.

I just came back from 2 weeks on a CERA/IRM sponsored junket.

I know of two of our more prominant steam
> operators and restorationists(nameless for
> obvious reasons) who left just this weekend
> for you know where south of Florida. On of
> the reasons they are headed there is to
> check progress on the 0-6-2 Porta is cooking
> up.

> I don't, however, think they are real
> concerned about diesels, although they did
> come back with a photo last year of a sister
> to the D&R's ex CN GMD 1151.


hankmorris@earthlink.net

> I know that two 30" diesels from the
> Lihue RR
> are in use (or at least exist) at CAI Rafael
> Freyre in NE Cuba.

> Adolph Hungry Wolf has a recent tape on the
> line that shows them in action.

Speaking of Mr. Hungry Wolf, I have both of his Cuba tapes and would like to ask him a question. Does anyone know if he has an E-Mail address?

> Personally I prefer the 7 Baldwin 2-8-0s and
> the tiny 0-6-0. But diesels are better than
> no trains at all. (Grin!)

> Best Regards,
> Glenn


midlandblb@cs.com

The history of getting American built steam engines out of Mexico at the end of steam is that it didn't happen except for a tiny number of engines.

If history is not to repeat itself, the time to act is now. It will take Spanish speaking people a lot of time and money! But so very worth it!

The oldest American built steam engine is on display in Havanna. It should probably stay there,
But there are so many others to consider.

I understant that there are one or two Forney engines from elevated lines in New York City.
That is some kind of rare!

Just the parts piles at those sugar plantations would be worth their weight in gold!

Ted

ted_miles@NPS.gov