K-4 To Return as a Museum Exhibit

Newriver400 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 20, 2010 7:01 pm

robertmacdowell wrote:

Um... you do realize this board has a "friends or foes" feature. Go "User control panel"... "Friends & foes"... "Manage Foes"... copy/paste in the offending users' name (must be exact)... YOU won't see their messages again. This is the Internet version of "think globally, act locally".

You proposed "I don't like him, so censor him." OK. You may be acquainted with a little document called the Bill of Rights. It reflects two core American values. First, Free Speech - that you may not like what a fellow has to say, but you're going to answer it with free speech of your own, not a gag in the mouth. And second, Freedom of the Press - which belongs to them that owns presses. RyPN is a press, and they CAN censor, or apply the ideals of the first amendment as they see fit. No matter what they do, it'll affect their readership.

Back in the day, owning a press put you among the intellectual lords. But nowadays, Yahoo is giving away presses for free. So if you want to kick somebody off a forum, then start your own forum. Show us how it's done.

Yes, I know about the friends/foes feature, but found that sometimes it disrupts the cohesiveness of the posts.

I did not say that he should be censored because I don't like him. I said I wish the moderators could do something with someone who continually takes pot shots at one other individual to no one's benefit. I don't find that anyone else on this board does this to any other person here. There are contentious debates, but personal attacks are so incredibly rare that I can't even recall one.

Insofar as the Bill of Rights is concerned, I am probably more acquainted with it than most and it does not cover defamation. See the writings of VP Thomas Jefferson for more information. Further, you even admit that it doesn't apply here, so why bring up a fallacious argument/point? Do you write for the New York Times, the Chronicle, or the LA Times or do you just like imitating a leftist apparatchik by setting up straw men that are unrelated to the issue?

Randy Hees · **Posted:** Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:05 pm

This thread has turned from a discussion on the the future of one locomotive to a discussion of free speech or not on this board.

We need to get back to discussions of the locomotive in questions future or end the conversation. We have other threads discussing RYPN, moderation and how we discuss issues.

GSpro · **Posted:** Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:09 pm

Wowak wrote:

Regardless of my thoughts and feelings on the "restoration" perpetrators, I must admit a part of me will feel better when I see 1361 at least in one piece.

Yeah, that's true. I have to agree. I'm at the point where I'd just be glad to see her put together in one piece.

robertmacdowell · **Posted:** Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:11 pm

The locomotive may have problems, but the problems are finite and determinable. This isn't Alice in Wonderland, the locomotive doesn't keep manufacturing new problems as fast as you fix the old ones. (though the FRA might :)

So what does he locomotive need - and the next question is, is the current management giving it that? (And STOP - this is not the point to criticize current management. Any jerk with an easy chair can sit there complaining, computers make that easier than ever. But every cross word takes a mil off the crownsheet of that engine.) The operative question is if management isn't doing what's needed, how do you motivate them to do so? This is a somewhat different craft than boilermaking, but important enough that I have from time to time considered setting down my wrench and paintbrush, and specializing.