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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:23 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 10:53 pm 

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You could go through that list then immediately eliminate anything not painted Tuscan Red.


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 Post subject: Re: NEW NS Steam Program, Passenger Equipment
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:54 am 

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Now here is a more narrowed down version of the list:

Business Fleet Equipment
01-SOU-Observation-Virginia-Norfolk Southern
02 (1A)-SOU-Sleeper-Carolina-Norfolk Southern
03 (500)-N&W-Observation-Claytor Lake-Norfolk Southern
04-CR (NYC)-Observation-Michigan-Norfolk Southern
05-CR (PRR)-Observation-Maryland-Norfolk Southern
06 (02)-SOU-Observation-Atlanta-Norfolk Southern
07 (05)-CR (PRR)-Observation-Pennsylvania-Norfolk Southern
08 (05)-SOU-Observation-Tennessee-Norfolk Southern
09 (15)-SOU-Sleeper-Alabama-Norfolk Southern
11 (16)-SOU-Sleeper-Illinois-Norfolk Southern
12 (491)-N&W (NKP)-Sleeper-Indiana- Norfolk Southern
13 (18)-SOU-Sleeper/GYM-Georgia-Norfolk Southern
18-N&W-Diner-Gen. William Mahone-Norfolk Southern
19 (494)-N&W-Lounge-Kentucky-Norfolk Southern
20 (07)-SOU-Observation-Ohio-Norfolk Southern
21 (08)-SOU-Observation-West Virginia-Norfolk Southern
23 (19)-SOU-Theatre-Buena Vista-Norfolk Southern
24 (553)-CR (ATSF)-Full Dome-Delaware-Norfolk Southern
26 (27)-CR (NYC)-Coach-New York-Norfolk Southern
27 (24)-SOU-Baggage-Exhibit Car-Norfolk Southern
30-SOU (CG)-Observation-Marco Polo-Norfolk Southern
40 (50)-CR-Boxcar-Generator-Norfolk Southern
41 (515346)-N&W-Boxcar-Generator-Norfolk Southern

Steam Excursion Equipment – Norfolk Southern, Ex-Regular Equipment
28 (501)-NS (N&W)-Coach-Powhatan Arrow-Norfolk Southern
29 (532)-NS (N&W)-Coach-Powhatan Arrow-Norfolk Southern
39 (1003)-NS (ATSF)-Baggage-Generator-Norfolk Southern
536-N&W-Lounge-Powhatan Arrow-Great Smoky Mountain
540-N&W-Coach-Powhatan Arrow-Western Maryland
726-SOU (CG)-Combination-Man “O” War-Western Maryland
841-SOU-Coach-Royal Palm-Great Smoky Mountain
842-SOU-Coach-Southerner-?????
843-SOU-Coach-Crescent-New York & Greenwood
844-SOU-Coach-Crescent-Western Maryland
845-SOU-Coach-Tennessean-Kentucky RR Museum

Steam Excursion Equipment – NRHS, Regular Equipment
206 (554)-SOU (BN)-Baggage-NRHS Southeastern
512-N&W-Coach-Powhatan Arrow-NRHS Roanoke
537-N&W-Coach-Powhatan Arrow-NRHS Roanoke
538-N&W-Coach-Powhatan Arrow-NRHS Roanoke
539-N&W-Coach-Powhatan Arrow-NRHS Watauga Valley
662-SOU (CG)-Coach-NRHS Southeastern
676-SOU (GN)-Baggage-Commissary-NRHS North Florida
1148 (1220)-N&W (GN)-Diner-Devils Lake-NRHS Roanoke
1827-N&W (WAB)-Coach-Pocahontas-NRHS Roanoke
2202-N&W (IC)-Vista Dome-Heart Of Dixie-NRHS Dixie
3305-N&W (IC)-Observation-Mardi Gras-NRHS Roanoke

Steam Excursion Equipment – NRHS, Extra Equipment
98-B&O-Observation-Eden Isle-NRHS Tenn. Valley
531-N&W-Coach-Powhatan Arrow-NRHS Tenn. Valley
661-SOU (CG)-Coach-NRHS Tenn. Valley
906 (528)-SOU (CG)-Coach-NRHS Tenn. Valley
907 (543)-SOU (CG)-Coach-NRHS Tenn. Valley
1006-N&W (SOU)-Coach-NRHS Old Dominion
1037-SOU-Coach-NRHS Tenn. Valley
3158-SOU-Diner-Traveler’s Fare-NRHS Tenn. Valley
4527-SOU-Baggage-Commissary-NRHS Dixie

Steam Excursion Equipment – Tourist & Private Equipment
07-N&W (NKP)-Lounge-Kitchi Gammi Club-Virginia Rail Corp
1231-Lounge-Railroad Power Leasing
2209-SOU-Coach-New River Valley-Iager & Southern
3477-Coach-Atlanta Railcar-Railroad Power Leasing
9401-N&W-Lounge-Pocahontas-Iager & Southern

Private Varnish Equipment
101-N&W-Observation-Blue Ridge-Morristown & Erie
208-N&W-Observation-Lamberts Point-North Star Rail Inc.

All of these passenger cars listed above are painted in N&W (NS) Tuscan Red & Gold Lettering.

Prior before 1993, most of the equipment was painted in N&W, SOU (Green & Gold Lettering), & SOU (Silver & Black Lettering). Some NS personnel during that time used to refer these sets as the "Circus Train". Other passenger equipment was provided by the NRHS clubs, tourist railroads, and private ownership groups.

In the last 2 years of the OLD NS Steam Program which was during 1993-1994, all of the equipment was rebuilt and repainted in the current NS paint scheme. The only time they broke the "All Tuscan Rule" was when they allow a trip sponsor to have 1 car as part of the set (it was usually seen near the end of the train usually before New River Valley & Mardi Gras).

During the 1994 NRHS Bluewater Trip from Detroit to Ft. Wayne, the only Non-Tuscan passenger car on that train was GTW 899 Diner "Silver Lake", which was at that time still in a VIA Rail Mod. This passenger now sports the correct GTW/CN Scheme (Green, Black, & Gold Lettering).

I'm certain during this time around NS & TVRM will be using an all matching passenger car set.

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 Post subject: Re: NEW NS Steam Program, Passenger Equipment
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:06 am 

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j32885 wrote:
The only time they broke the "All Tuscan Rule" was when they allow a trip sponsor to have 1 car as part of the set (it was usually seen near the end of the train usually before New River Valley & Mardi Gras).


Wrong: NS was forced to borrow/lease a couple NCDOT coaches for their final excursions, after the damage in the Kinney Yard incident and a surge in ticket sales for what turned out to be the "final" NS steam excursions. Don't force me to pull up the video, but I recall 4-5 NCDOT Amtrak-painted cars on the last Greenville-Toccoa run.


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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:08 am 

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What color will be on the power? Many of us have been presuming SR passenger green & gold, at least for 4501, based on what's been posted. But maybe NS will ask that that it be painted in some sort of NS scheme. This is a promotional operation so that may trump any historical accuracy (leaving aside the passenger colors on an originally freight engine).

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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:35 am 

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What color will be on the power? Many of us have been presuming SR passenger green & gold, at least for 4501, based on what's been posted. But maybe NS will ask that that it be painted in some sort of NS scheme. This is a promotional operation so that may trump any historical accuracy (leaving aside the passenger colors on an originally freight engine).


This would be very interesting, remember 2101 in the Chessie Paint? It's their party and they can do what they want.

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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:08 pm 

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tomgears wrote:
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What color will be on the power? Many of us have been presuming SR passenger green & gold, at least for 4501, based on what's been posted. But maybe NS will ask that that it be painted in some sort of NS scheme. This is a promotional operation so that may trump any historical accuracy (leaving aside the passenger colors on an originally freight engine).


This would be very interesting, remember 2101 in the Chessie Paint? It's their party and they can do what they want.



Also, SP 4449 was painted black and lettered for BNSF during 2000 and 2001 to pull the BNSF Employee Appreciation Special in the Pacific Northwest before it was repainted into the American Freedom Train colors in 2002. It would be interesting to see what an NS steam paint scheme would look like on either 610, 630 or 4501.


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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 2:42 pm 

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Here is a picture of the L&N 152 in the 80's with the NS logo in place of the L&N logo on the cab.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 218&nseq=7


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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:45 pm 

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A few passenger car notes in response to the above lists and comments.
I'm fairly certain that NS 19 (ex N&W diner 494) is configured as a lounge-diner.
NS 29 is former N&W coach 533, not 532. Watauga NRHS 500 is a coach, not a diner.The car listed as "277" is ex SOU, nee C of G combine 727, now the handicapped access car at Cuyohoga Valley. It was a former Roanoke Chapter NRHS car. Iaeger & Southern 9401 "Pocahontas" was an ex-UP 10-6 sleeper. Roanoke Chapter NRHS N&W coach 538 was never used in the steam train, it was aquired as a parts car with 512. It does still have a very original interior. Roanoke Chapter NRHS 1827 was just sold to Monticello Railroad Museum. Absent from the list is N&W baggage-tool car #1407. It is now a Roanoke Chapter car also, and is pretty much the same as it was in December of 1994. The local rumor mill has it that NS has aquired several passenger cars. What is fairly certain is that an ex-Southern combine in MofW service has been moved to Altoona for evaluation. Finally, Robert B. Claytor's office car always was NS 3 / N&W 500, the "Claytor Lake". Graham Claytor may have used Southern # 8 some in the 1970s. I would also beware of making sweeping comments about train colors. Remember, Wick Moorman is from Mississippi.

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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:51 pm 

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jcmark611 wrote:
Here is a picture of the L&N 152 in the 80's with the NS logo in place of the L&N logo on the cab.

http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 218&nseq=7


Yes, but it looks line the L&N was still on the collar of the coal bunker on the tender.


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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:04 pm 

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Not intentionally trying to change the current subject of passenger cars, but what work still needs to be completed on the 630?

Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:46 pm 

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"Iaeger & Southern 9401 "Pocahontas" was an ex-UP 10-6 sleeper"

Nope...that car is an ex-SP 12 double-bedroom sleeper. It is at rusting away at OSRM in Knoxpatch. It had belonged to a guy who worked on the cars of the NS steam program...a carman of sorts.

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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:47 pm 

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Termite7 wrote:
"Iaeger & Southern 9401 "Pocahontas" was an ex-UP 10-6 sleeper"

Nope...that car is an ex-SP 12 double-bedroom sleeper. It is at rusting away at OSRM in Knoxpatch. It had belonged to a guy who worked on the cars of the NS steam program...a carman of sorts.

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You are right, Termite. The older I get, the worse my "CRS" gets. At least I remembered the "Pacific" part. As far as the 9401's owner is concerned, the less said the better.

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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:04 pm 

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Termite7 wrote:
"Iaeger & Southern 9401 "Pocahontas" was an ex-UP 10-6 sleeper"

Nope...that car is an ex-SP 12 double-bedroom sleeper. It is at rusting away at OSRM in Knoxpatch. It had belonged to a guy who worked on the cars of the NS steam program...a carman of sorts.

T7


Was the owner's name Sid Bailey? He was one of the car inspectors I believe.

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 Post subject: Re: Norfolk Southern steam to return with SR 630,than 4501
PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:07 am 

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Was the owner's name Sid Bailey? He was one of the car inspectors I believe.


Something like that.


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