How does one get to see pictures of the inside of the cars? I'd like to see the inside of the Lehigh Valley cars. There are two palours right?

I'd like to see pictures of the inside of the "Valley cars" That rust coming down on the side of the car looks ugly. Perhaps water getting inside too!

There are several reasons why these aren't moved down the tracks to CMSL. One is that CSAO will not move friction bearing cars over their tracks regardless of how well maintained they are. Two is there is no space at CMSL to store them. If there was, Toni would take them in a heartbeat. Now there are remnants of an old wye that could be rebuilt as a yard and there there would be plenty of room. Want to spike some rail on a weekend? Bring ties, rail, tie plates, joint bars, spikes, nuts and bolts and get to it. Then there's the vandals that he is trying to keep ahead of. OK, bring some 8' chain link with you too!

Later!
Mr. Ed

pfft, what you do with your "junque" is you fix it up so it does make money. What if this was done at IRM? ah well, yes they have scrapped equipment before.

But at this late day and age more scrappings of old equipment now come to more rare pieces. I don't see those cars as something that look like junque to scrap than go hit them and fixem, need some dreaming here. The new owners need some lesson learning here. Its down and dirty get to work than sit in an office and watch the money flow. Of course, its easier to scrap them, raise some dough, but not much! That won't last forever, then you scrap more and more...nooooopers, you need a different money solution. I tend to not think the new owners are creative enough.

Railroad.net reported that the three cars were scrapped yesterday. I went down and I couldn't tell if any of the cars were cut up. But there were several pieces of American Recyclers equipment (snips and magnet) cleaning up the site so I guess they already finished the three cars off. There are still several coaches on site but your guess is as good as mine whether these too will be cut up.

Later!
Mr. Ed

They indeed started cutting the cars up on Friday. They were in very poor shape. Water had gotten inside the cars and destroyed the all of the seats and floors. The car bodies were rusting away at the sills and rust was pushing the rivets out (in typically Pennsy fashion). It would take a huge effort, lots of money, and all new body panels to re work the cars (not to mention all new interiors from the water damage). Unfortunately this fate was inevitable for them. We were lucky enough to get two of the UC valves off of them to have as spares.

Even if the cushions were badly damaged by water leakage, the frames and armrests have good value. It would be a shame if those older seat styles were scrapped. There are a good number of work train cars that could use them in restoration.

Hopefully the ARHS and URHS (I am thinking of the Blue Comet cars) owned cars aren't scraped. Then again, there aren't very many P70 coaches left kicking around, and according to RCman2626 they are gone. They would have made a nice train set.


If someone can build a new steam locomotive from scratch, these cars could have been restored.

I dunno whether this bastardized P70 was mentioned:

http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/kitcar1235.htm

Not to mention, Tioga Central's open air car is a P-70.

Here is a novel idea, why don't we save equipment before it becomes rusted and rotted. Think of the F40PH, Oh that's to new, that's not in our mission statement. But low and behold 20 years latter OMG! we must save this rusted gutted out F40 it is extremely historic and there are next to none left gives us tons of $$$ so we can rebuild it from the ground up.

There are F40s in preservation, nobody stopped you from saving another one yourself (unless that's something you aren't sharing in your story), and what that has to do with whatever P70 coaches were preserved, adaptively reused, or scrapped because they were of no value to anybody when they were available isn't apparent either.

If this is, however, your way of saying you are tired of reactive whining, I agree.........

dave

http://www.sterlingrail.com/classifieds ... php?id=465

Available at used car prices. But can you refrain from highjacking this into a F-40 thread.

Well that car was scrapped yesterday.

Thats too bad, I wonder if there will be any left in 10 years? At least we still have all of those nice DL&W coaches we worked so hard to save right?