Has anyone ever compiled a list of locomotives that were scrapped as part of the WW2 scrap metal drives? I realize that a full list might be a difficult task, but were there any notable locomotives that fell victim to the war effort?

Thanks!

tmanz@afo.net

If I recall, the last 3' gage Mason Bogie was scrapped during WWII.


Strasburg Rail Road
kelly@strasburgrailroad.com

> Has anyone ever compiled a list of
> locomotives that were scrapped as part of
> the WW2 scrap metal drives? I realize that a
> full list might be a difficult task, but
> were there any notable locomotives that fell
> victim to the war effort?

> Thanks!

The Boston & Maine RR had planned to save an ancient 0-4-0 tender locomotive, but it fell victim to the WWII scrap drive. I forget the number of the engine.

Paul A. Hubbard


hubbard5004@msn.com

A 4-4-0 locomotive named "Sabine" in Lafayette, LA was scrapped in a misguided wartime scrap drive. It was an early locomotive from one of the SP predecessor companies in Louisiana.

> Has anyone ever compiled a list of
> locomotives that were scrapped as part of
> the WW2 scrap metal drives? I realize that a
> full list might be a difficult task, but
> were there any notable locomotives that fell
> victim to the war effort?

> Thanks!

> Has anyone ever compiled a list of
> locomotives that were scrapped as part of
> the WW2 scrap metal drives? I realize that a
> full list might be a difficult task, but
> were there any notable locomotives that fell
> victim to the war effort?

> Thanks!

I posted some information about such engines a few months ago. It was back in January -- see the link below:

What we had and lost
bnorden49@earthlink.net

UP's answer to the Pioneer Zephyr- the M10000, was unfortunately scrapped during WWII. There's a picture of it on the scrap heap in Kratville's book about the history of the UP streamliners, I believe.

davew833@yahoo.com

The Navy cut USS Oregon (BB3) down to a barge during WWII, then failed to make good use of the hulk. This is the ship that made the dash from San Francisco around Cape Horn to Key West during the Spanish-American War. The difficulties of this movement directly led to the Panama Canal.

Electric City Trolley Museum Association

Thanks! I thought this might have been discussed before.

Were there similar scrap drives during WW1 or the Korean War?

tmanz@afo.net

The Union Iron works here in San Francisco built the USS Oregon an early and successful example of the "New Navy" We have her plans in the plans collection here at the Maritime Park.

And to give this a railroad theme the Union yard and later Bethleham Steel Shipbuilding used to build trains and street cars when things were slow between ships.

They built the Municipal Railway's #1 the first street car operated by our City transit agency. And the only agency in North America that still has their first car.



ted_miles@nps.gov

The Chicago Transit Authority also has Chicago and South Side Rapid Transit car #1 of 1892, the first elevated car of the first elevated line in the city. It's not a streetcar but is also an example of a transit operator still having the first car of a preceeding company. It was steam hauled at first and converted to electricity, and still has that early Sprague equipment installed.

Museum of Transportation
rdgoldfede@aol.com

Beleive Ft. Worth and Denver scrapped a 4-4-0 they had been using as an exhibition engine.

On the other side C&S No. 9 (3 ft 2-6-0) made it thru WW2.

jimhollis@ev1.net

A narrow gauge 2-6-0, #16 of the Alberta Railway & Coal Company, was reported donated to City of Lethbridge (Alberta, Canada) in 1912 and placed in Exhibition Gounds. The engine was neglected and sent off in 1916 to the CP Ogden Shops for scrapping. The engine was build by Canadian Locomotive in 8/1890 as #392.

I understand that there was a passenger car along with the engine that also got scrapped.

Brian Norden

bnorden49@earthlink.net

The USS Oregon was preserved, donated to the state if I remember correctly, and docked on the waterfront in Portland. It was then removed to be turned into scrap durring WWII. The flag pole and stacks are in parks on Portlands waterfront, and the pilot house was purchased by a private person and turned into a radio room at his house. The house was for sale a couple of years ago, and the piece of the Oregon is still there.

Smokebox

"orhf dot org"

The B&O collection fortunately survived the scrap drive. There was some talk of scrapping the collection, but fortunately cooler heads prevailed.


kevin.r.gillespie@verizon.net

I suppose it is unnecessary to point it out, but one has to keep the "temper of the times" in mind with WW2. It was post Pearl Harbor and the ocean liner "Normandie" had burned in our own docks during retrofit. You can easily imagine the post-9/11 feelings multplied by 100. We were in a life or death struggle, and steam locomotives were still a fact of life, nothing special.
I would never condone the scrapping of artifacts to support a war effort today, but there are some salient, mitigating points to consider in this discussion.
Just thought I'd mention it.

glueck@saturn.caps.maine.edu