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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 4:54 pm 

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Interesting article on Russian/USSR locomotives




Updated: 30 May 2010
Note on Siberian accident added

In Russia in the 1930s railways were in almost constant crisis, mainly as a result of under-resourcing and political interference. Problems were to be solved in a "Bolshevik manner" ie using new and radical ideas, promoted by non-technical commissars and theoreticians. The results were usually unhappy.
STALIN'S ENGINE: THE AA20-1. 1934
This notorious design was built at Lugansk Works, emerging in December 1934. [1] It became famous as the largest non-articulated locomotive in Europe, and in particular for having the most coupled axles in the world. A few countries produced 12-coupled designs, but nobody else tried 14. It was intended for heavy haulage on light (78 lb/yd) rails, with a modest loading of 20 tons per axle, on the Moscow-Donbass route. (The "20" in AA-20 refers to 20 tonnes per axle) It successfully made a publicity trip to Moscow in Jan 1935, but never entered service. No details are available of trial runs.

[1] Bell, writing in 1946, states that construction began as a 2-14-4 at the Krupp works in Essen, to a Soviet design, but was then transferred to Lugansk, where a leading bogie replaced the pony truck.

In (unsuccessful) attempts to get the AA-20 round curves, the middle three axles had flangeless wheels, and universal joints were include in the coupling rods between first and second, and sixth and seventh, axles.



Above: One of the very few pictures of the AA20-01 4-14-4 locomotive.

It was clear, though never publicly admitted, that the AA20 was a complete disaster. It spread the track, wrecked every set of points it passed over, and derailed almost every time it moved. Steaming was poor, and the locomotive too powerful for existing couplings and too long for the turntables. It was totally unusable.
After 1935 it was stored for 25 years at the Shcherbinka test facility and finally scrapped in 1960.



Above: Side elevation of AA20-01. Note the enormous firebox for burning low-quality coal.



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THE OR23-01 OPPOSED-PISTON STEAM LOCOMOTIVE. 1949
I assume the point of opposed pistons was to obtain balance of the fore-and-aft forces, which would mean a reduction in wheel balance weights, and hence in hammer-blow on the track. There still seem to be heavy connecting rods going back-and-forth, so I'm not too convinced this was a sound plan. It seems to have been exclusively a Russian scheme.
This was the only conventional steam opposed-piston design; see below for steam-diesel versions.

Left: The opposed-piston OR23-01 steam loco of 1949. This experimental 2-10-4 was designed by N A Turkin and M N Anykeev, and built at the Oktober Revolution (OR) Locomotive Works at Voroshilovgrad. No more were built.
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Below: The mechanism of OR23. The overhung crank on the centre axle reverses the direction of movement of one of the opposed pistons.





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TEPLOPAROVOZ! THE 8000 2-8-2 OPPOSED-PISTON STEAM-DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE: 1939

Between the world wars, the Russians had followed with interest experiments with steam-diesel combinations in other parts of Europe; the Italian Ansaldo 4-6-2 of 1926, and the Kitson-Still Locomotive of 1928. See also the Still Steam-Diesel system as applied to ships.

Left: Steam-diesel 2-8-2 opposed-piston freight locomotive No 8000, built 1939 at Voroshilovgrad Works. The name on the front is "Stalinets" ie a follower of Stalin.
Teploparovoz is Russian for "Diesel-Steam".


In this case the outsides of the pistons were acted on by steam and the inner sides by internal combustion. Fleming states this system was later replaced by uniflow steam cylinders.

The 8000 was completed in September 1939 at the Voroshilovgrad Works. It was intended to give 3000 Hp and run at a maximum speed of 130 km/hr. It was to be steam powered up to 20 km/hr, above which the inner volume between the two opposed pistons was to become the diesel combustion space, while steam continued to drive the outer piston faces on their inward movements.



The locomotive made its first trial run on 18 October 1939, and in November ran trials on the North Donetz and Southern railways.

Left: The mechanism of 8000
The jackshaft on the right reverses the direction of movement of one of the pistons, to give an opposed-piston action.



After WW2, the 8000 was reappraised, and tested again in 1946. It was put into store in 1948 and never ran again. It had many problems; for example, its 25 tonne axle-loading was too great for the track, the cylinders were prone to cracking, and it rode badly on the rails.



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TEPLOPAROVOZ! THE TP1-1 2-10-2 OPPOSED-PISTON STEAM-GAS LOCOMOTIVE: 1940

The TP1-1 has been "Coming soon" for some nine years. This shameful record has now been ended.

Unlike the other locomotives on this page, the TP1-1 was a cab-forward design. It was intended to run on anthracite, which was pulverised and gasified to fuel the internal combustion cycle, while the pulverised coal left over from this process was fed to the firebox of the boiler to raise steam. As if this was not complicated enough, it also carried a condenser and consequently a turbine-driven fan in the smokebox was required to create draught. Work began on designing this machine at Kolomna locomotive works on July 8th, 1939. It was supposed to be at least as powerful as one of the FD (for Felix Dzerzhinsky, founder of the NKVD) class 2-10-2s; you can see an illustration of one of those splendid machines here: Felix Dzerzhinsky 2-10-2 (external link)

Left: The TP1-1 2-10-2 opposed-piston steam-gas locomotive
The cab at the front is for the driver, but there was also a cab at the back for the fireman tending the boiler and gas generator. Presumably, given the complications of steam-gas operation, effective communication between the two cabs was essential, but nothing is currently known about how (or indeed, if) this was accomplished.

The bodywork was painted dark blue, and the driving wheels red.


Images from 'Locomotives of the Nation's Railways 1845-1955' by Vitaly Rakov, published (in Russian) in Moscow in 1995.


TP1-1 was intended to develop 3,000-3,500 HP, with 2,000 HP from the gas cycle and 1,000-1,500 HP from steam. It had a total of 8 pistons, powering the wheels via a jackshaft and rocking-lever at each end; note there were 4 crossheads per side. The steam cylinders used Marshall valve gear, while the gas cycle was two-stroke and fuel was supplied by what literally translates as 'a gas and air turboblower' at 1.2 kg/cm2. The gas generator was in the tender and provided 4,750 m3 of gas per hour. Hoped-for efficiency was 11%, but the Rakov text is silent as to whether this figure was achieved. It is suspected not.

Work proceeded quickly and TP1-1 made its first journey on December 26th, 1939, when it ran down the line from Golutvin station (the nearest to Kolomna works) towards Ryazan. Deadlines tended to be rather inflexible at that point in Soviet history, but speed of construction seems to have been aided by the fact that a lot of standard components from various production classes of steam locomotives were incorporated.

It was then taken to the test-track at Shcherbinka, due south of Moscow (still in operation today) and made 76 trips, totalling 1,790 kilometers. It was not a success. It only worked properly at speeds of 25-30 km/h and less. Once it got up to 40-45 km/h, the gas cycle would pack up after about 10-15 mins and the gas-air mixture would ignite prematurely on admission to the cylinders. Apparently Kolomna works had sorted out the bugs by early 1941 by shortening the piston heads and thus reducing the compression, but then the war intervened and TP1-1 was quietly forgotten about.

Confusingly, this locomotive was also called "Stalinets", the name carried on the forward cab.



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TEPLOPAROVOZ! THE 8001 2-10-2 OPPOSED-PISTON STEAM-DIESEL LOCOMOTIVE: 1948

Left: Steam-diesel opposed-piston passenger locomotive No 8001, wheel arrangement 2-10-2, built 1948 at Voroshilovgrad Works
This was the third and last teploparovoz prototype to be built.

At the end of 1940 preliminary design work began at Voroshilovgrad, but was halted during the war. Work resumed in 1945 and No 8001 finally emerged from the works in September 1948. It has been described as "almost a complete disaster", so one is rather left wondering what did go right; no details have so far been found. It is however certain that it was the last Russian steam-diesel experiment.



The complicated drive mechanism of 8001 was similar to that of TP1-1 above, except that the cylinder assemblies were lowered to wheel level.

Left: The drive mechanism of 8001
With eight cylinders, eight crossheads, and four extra rocking levers it does not look promising from the point of view of maintenance.





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RAILWAY OPERATION IN SOVIET RUSSIA
I feel compelled at this point to recount an event which may give some flavour of railway operations in Soviet Russia. In March 1937 a railway accident occurred in Siberia; the details of the event are so far obscure, but what is known is that 72 railway officials were held responsible and all were executed. As Peter Semmens put it: "One's mind boggles at trying to imagine the circumstances whereby that number of individuals could have actually had a hand in causing an accident."


Source: "Railway Disasters of the World" by Peter Semmens, pub Patrick Stephens Ltd 1994


Bibliography:
"Locomotives", by A M Bell. 5th Edn. pub Virtue & Co, 1946
"Russian Steam Locomotives", Fleming. pub J.Marshbank 1960
"Locomotives of the Nation's Railways 1845-1955" by Vitaly Rakov, 1995
"Elements of Locomotive Development in Russia & The USSR" ed Keith R Chester, Trackside Publications


Link so you can see the pictures
http://www.aqpl43.dsl.pipex.com/MUSEUM/ ... ssrefr.htm


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:28 pm 

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Definitely designed by a committee. Sort of like our Congress designing a steam locomotive.


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The expression "Design by Committee" has long been shorthand for too many people being involved, but let us recall a successful committee was the outfit that designed the USRA power in WW II.

It could also be argued that the Advisory Mechanical Committee of the Van Sweringen roads didn't do too badly either, although their ultimate design, the C&O Allegheny, has been described as a spectacular but flawed giant that wasn't quite what it could have been.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 10:25 pm 

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This is the real problem, both in the Soviet era and with our modern politicians:

"In Russia in the 1930s railways were in almost constant crisis, mainly as a result of under-resourcing and political interference. Problems were to be solved in a "Bolshevik manner" ie using new and radical ideas, promoted by non-technical commissars and theoreticians."

I have a weird brain. Something comes up, and I click onto something else. In this case, it's a 1961 movie, not rail related at all but a gem none the less, Billy Wilder's "One, Two, Three," starring James Cagney as a Coca Cola executive in Berlin just before the erection of the infamous Berlin Wall. In the scene that comes to mind, he is dealing with some defectors from the east, one of whom is somewhat reluctant to come west. The following dialogue takes place between the defectors:

Otto Piffl: "I am a Party member, paid up until December! They need me there, I am a missile scientist!"

Commissar Peripetchikoff: "Ah, that is one place where we are ahead of America! In Cape Canaveral if missile goes wrong, they press special button, and POW, it blows up, but in Russia, they have two buttons. . ."

Otto Piffl: "Two buttons?"

Commissar Peripetchikoff: "One to blow up missile, one to blow up scientist!"

Otto Piffl: "What kind of a commissar are you?"

Commissar Peripetchikoff: "An ex-commissar!"

This dialogue starts at about 2:00 in part 10 of 10:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcCv8JYe ... sults_main

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One,_Two,_Three

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/One,_Two,_Three

Have fun.


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The PCC was a committee.

Soviet industrial policy is more complicated. Synopsis: the Soviets were led by intellectuals who sought an enormous leap three generations into the future, and they did not have the capacity to see how difficult that would be. For example, the Soviets were fascinated by diesel locomotives - in 1920! The Soviets repeatedly sought higher technology, when market factors and labor costs argued for simpler technology. They were fascinated by imports of locomotives from the United States, when the added cost and complexity were really not relevant to their supply chain needs.

The Soviets also handicapped their economy by cutting off trade with the west. Traditionally Russia was an exporter of commodities and an importer of technology. The Soviets sought to be self sufficient, and cut off their source of income from agricultural exports.

There are fascinating academic texts on the communist railway management.

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I'm not sure why the original post is copied from Doug Self's site without attribution.

The NEW site (with the pictures, and more recent updates) is here:

http://www.douglas-self.com/MUSEUM/LOCO ... coloco.htm

(go to the appropriate section, under "Hard to Classify" - "Яussian Яeforms")

Many other things worthy of investigation here!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:47 am 

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Greetings:
For further reading: "Soviet Locomotive Technology During Industrialization 1928-1952" by J.N.Westwood, MacMillan Press Ltd, 1982.
An excellent book with great insite into Russian locomotive design philosophy as well as interesting accounts of issues surrounding various locomotives and finally a hint as to why the class FD (Feliks Dzerzhinskii) 2-10-2s were named after the chief of the secret police.
Another wonderful book by Westwood is his "Locomotive Designers in the Age of Steam".
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THANKS!

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