The tender of McCloud River Railroad #21 (Baldwin 2-6-2, built new for the road in 1924) has been found tucked away in the back of the Sacramento restoration shop. This locomotive was thought to have been scrapped in the early to mid 1950's (the McCloud River Railroad was fully dieselized by 1953, and the McCloud River Lumber Company stopped using railroad prairies when it received it's own diesel, GE 70-ton #1, new in 1955). Obviously at least the tender has survived to the present.

Below is a link to the page with the photographs of the tender that are posted on a webpage devoted to the McCloud railroads.

http://www.mccloudrailroad.com/mr21.htm
jamoore@elko.net

Who's restoration shop was it in? How could a tender be in a shop and noboday know about it? Can you provide more details to make it more clear?

Thanks,

Tom

Forgotten Delaware
tom@forgottendelaware.com

> Who's restoration shop was it in? How could
> a tender be in a shop and noboday know about
> it? Can you provide more details to make it
> more clear?

> Thanks,

> Tom

Tom-

Tender is located somewhere in the old SP Sacramento Shops complex. The guy who took the photos and runs the website that they are posted on first saw the tender a month or two ago and finally got back within the last week to take the pictures (he works for UP in the Sacramento area).
As to how this tender avoided the torch and then escaped public knowledge for so long I do not not know.

Maybe someone else out there does know???

jamoore@elko.net

> Tender is located somewhere in the old SP
> Sacramento Shops complex.
> As to how this tender avoided the torch and
> then escaped public knowledge for so long I
> do not not know.

"Sacramento Shops Complex" would make it at California State Railroad Museum. Maybe the McCloud (or the scrapper) sold the tender off to someone who needed a new tender for their engine.

Brian Norden

bnorden49@earthlink.net

Are you sure about this? the 1st picture looks to be created. Look at the stuff on the pallet shelf in the lower left foreground. Its looks computer generated.If you look at the ppicture with that in mind the whole thing looks that way. unless of course the new monitir I bought yesterday is way out of whack. If I'm wrong sorry for offending anyone. P.S. My engineers required eye test last year said I have 20 10 vision so I know it's not my eyes. LOL

irss@eriecoast.com

Personally, if I was going to doctor up a picture of a newly-discovered piece of railroad history long hidden inside a backshop, it would be a NYC Hudson or an Alco DL-109 or something, not a tender. I don't see any reason to belive it's fake.

> The tender of McCloud River Railroad #21
> (Baldwin 2-6-2, built new for the road in
> 1924) has been found tucked away in the back
> of the Sacramento restoration shop. This
> locomotive was thought to have been scrapped
> in the early to mid 1950's (the McCloud
> River Railroad was fully dieselized by 1953,
> and the McCloud River Lumber Company stopped
> using railroad prairies when it received
> it's own diesel, GE 70-ton #1, new in 1955).
> Obviously at least the tender has survived
> to the present.

> Below is a link to the page with the
> photographs of the tender that are posted on
> a webpage devoted to the McCloud railroads.


davew833@yahoo.com

Interestingly enough if you blow the second shot up there is some black outlining around the car (?) in front of the tender and it looks like some blue sky behind the rear truck of the tender that does not correspond to the overhead door (?) behind the tender.


lamontdc@adelphia.net

> Personally, if I was going to doctor up a
> picture of a newly-discovered piece of
> railroad history long hidden inside a
> backshop, it would be a NYC Hudson or an
> Alco DL-109 or something, not a tender. I
> don't see any reason to belive it's fake.
Like I said I don't mean to offend but the tender is right next to the door, look in the background. In my Shop the back is farthest from the door. the things closest to it are the last in.??? don't mean to offend but Microsoft simulator has the same kind of grafics as the pallet shelve does. Again sorry I work in a locomotive shop everyday and something doesn't look right!!Maybe it's to much Green?????

irss@eriecoast.com

>One more thing look at the second axle from the left, looks way to skinny to be real!! and the more you look at it the more the back ground looks fake!

irss@eriecoast.com

Appears to be the tender of Stockton Terminal & Eastern #3 donated to the California State RR Museum. It is known to have been given the tender of a McCloud 2-6-2 in the fifties, I think.

The shop may not look "right" since it is the gutted SP boiler shop at Sacramento, now being outfitted and used as the restoration shop for the Museum.

johncb@u.washington.edu

You may be right, if I recall correctly, the interior of the SP shop is a light green. And what can be seen of the roof structure seems to match.

But the photos just don't look right when you look at them a second time. Particularly the top photo. At least, the balance of contrast and brightness have been played around with. The seat frames in the left foreground look very strange.

I do have an inquiry out to someone who would know about this tender, if it is in the CSRM shop. We'll see if we hear from him.

Brian Norden

> Appears to be the tender of Stockton
> Terminal & Eastern #3 donated to the
> California State RR Museum. It is known to
> have been given the tender of a McCloud
> 2-6-2 in the fifties, I think.

> The shop may not look "right"
> since it is the gutted SP boiler shop at
> Sacramento, now being outfitted and used as
> the restoration shop for the Museum.


bnorden49@earthlink.net

I think what everyone may have a problem with is the MCRR website's use of "found."

Obviously, an artifact in an active restoration shop isn't a "find" to anyone except a person who didn't know it existed.

If I went to Steamtown and saw NKP #759 and didn't know she was there, I would have "found" her in the same vein.

I think that may be the confusion.

Rob


Ahead of the Torch
trains@robertjohndavis.com

Ah, we need more Californian's here for this thread needs no more rocket science.

McCloud 21, a 66-ton 1924 Baldwin 2-6-2 was retired and sent south on her own wheels to the scrappers, as was the custom then. As happened in at least two other recorded situations in the convenient communities of Sacramento and not far away Stockton in California's great Central Valley as the steam era wound down a good tender was exchanged for a bad one and, in this case, similar-sized 1922 Baldwin 2-6-2 number 3 of the Stockton Terminal and Eastern Railroad inherited the McCloud tank. Today the number 3 is in the restoration shop of the California State Railroad Museum at Sacramento and rather totally apart.

The photo caption to the second photo on the Website page that started this confusion even made full reference to the fact the tender is behind the ST&E #3.

I believe the work to sand down the paint and expose what is underneath is called industrial archeology, but the McCloud tender behind the #3 has been known for decades and took place in or after 1955 and very, very late in the #3's working career.

Definately correct about the tender being swapped to the ST&E loco. I have heard this from several sources in the last few days.

There are several of us newer fans that grew up around the McCloud that never knew about the existence of the tender until this. So it was "found" to some of us out here...

jamoore@elko.net

Right On! Perhaps. Nearly. How about the word "learned" instead of "found?" The tender swap was doubtless documented in the hard-copy, printed and published pre-Internet non-electronic era of the "Western Railroader" magazine at the time and later in "Pacific News" roster data and surely in the print media of California rail enthusiast groups. These printed references to the details of yesterday's history are easier to find and research even now than these messages are today, or will be in forty years, but the nearly instant gratification today of information exchange is undeniably wonderful.

> There are several of us newer fans that grew
> up around the McCloud that never knew about
> the existence of the tender until this. So
> it was "found" to some of us out
> here...