A major update on the preservation scene in Mexico

Trevor Heath · **Posted:** Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:04 am

The Swiss Thomas Kautzor visited Mexico in November and presented his findings here:

http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/tal ... co2012.htm

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Mr. Ed · **Posted:** Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:50 pm

Quite an impressive collection they have in Mexico. Seems that many municipalities recognize the tourist value of railroad equipment.

Happy New Year!
Mr. Ed

Dave · **Posted:** Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:29 pm

Might Mexico be a good new home for your equipment? If you have to move it you might as well find a place where people actually want it to be.

dave

MEC_557 · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:36 pm

Awesome pics from Mexico! I'm happy to see the ex-DH PA #17 well cared for, my father shot many slides of that unit running in Northern NJ in late 1977 to early 1978. He was even offered a ride on it but declined.

The GE's bought as kits to be assembled down there was interesting. Looks like they have problems with vandals throwing rocks with the mesh screen frames over the windows.

Seeing Kansas City Southern as the only American railroad to cross the border and run down there was neat too.

Les Beckman · **Joined:** Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:25 pm **Posts:** 6482

Jeff Lisowski wrote:

In browsing ebay for original slides I came across this chap.

Never heard of an 4-6-0T saddle tank engine.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Duplicate-Slide ... 484e58b6a7

New one on me too Jeff. Wonder what the history on NdeM 701 was? I would think converted by the local railroad shop forces from a normal over-the-road Ten-Wheeler and used in yard/roundhouse switching service, rather than built this way. But who knows? Someone must!

Les

davew833 · **Posted:** Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:23 pm

D&H PA #17 had some paint work done within the last 2 years if this YouTube video is any indication. I don't think they got the colors quite right though if it's supposed to be SP Daylight colors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJNixoUTKi4

MEC_557 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:34 am

I wonder how the enviroment is down there for preservation? Do they get much rain or is it hot and dry with sun bleaching the worst they have to worry about?

J.David · **Posted:** Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:34 pm

Greetings:
Yes, NdeM No. 701 was built as a conventional 4-6-0 with tender. It was later converted to a 4-6-0T shop switcher with shop built saddle tanks, one for fuel (oil) and one for water.
There is also an 0-8-0T on display which was built as a conventional 2-8-0.
J.David

10stewi · **Posted:** Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:52 pm

Dang it! They were given a second chance to survive and they still didnt in the end!

softwerkslex · **Posted:** Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:59 pm

Note that 2224 has an engineer's side cylinder saddle brace. I have seen this repair frequently, including Shortline Enterprises 8 and TVRM 610, and many photos. Was this really a weak design in the American cast cylinder/saddle?

Les Beckman · **Joined:** Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:25 pm **Posts:** 6482

J.David wrote:

Greetings:
Yes, NdeM No. 701 was built as a conventional 4-6-0 with tender. It was later converted to a 4-6-0T shop switcher with shop built saddle tanks, one for fuel (oil) and one for water.
There is also an 0-8-0T on display which was built as a conventional 2-8-0.
J.David

J. David -

Thanks for the info. I did a search for NdeM 4-6-0T #701 on the internet and it popped up on the STEAM LOCOMOTIVE website! I hadn't realized from the slide for sale that Jeff Lisowski posted, that the engine had been preserved. So, got out your book and found this other info there:

Built by the Burnham, Parry, Williams & Co. (Baldwin) in 1887 as a 36" gauge Ten-Wheeler, original number and railroad unknown. Became NdeM 701 in 1930, class F-1. Converted to standard gauge sometime after 1946. Perhaps that was when it became a tank engine? Currently on display in Ciudad Juarez, CHH.

Live and learn!

Les

J3a-614 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:59 pm

Fascinating what's around just south of us.

That 10-Wheeler that was made into a shop switcher looks a lot like something Southern Pacific did for some of its shop locomotives that were based on 0-6-0s (photos courtesy espeerailfan.net).

http://espee.railfan.net/nonindex/steam ... stwick.jpg

http://espee.railfan.net/nonindex/steam ... imling.jpg

http://espee.railfan.net/nonindex/steam ... imling.jpg

Page for reference:

http://espee.railfan.net/sp_steam_shop-switchers.html

Some of these must have been the ugliest locomotives on any roster, but for some reason I like them anyway!

Frisco1522 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:02 am

NKP seemed to like putting the braces on the cylinders of their USRA lite mikes for some reason. I've never noticed it on any other road's engines.