Mec # 470 any NEW ,,, news .

Scott K · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:57 pm **Posts:** 20

Good Morning,
Frisco, I am not demanding to know about anyone's confidential agreements. I am asking if one is in place that is all. Second there has been an implication by the guys in Maine that the locomotive must stay in Maine for legal reasons.........I have read the City of Waterville call for proposals..........no where does it say the locomotive must stay in Maine..........if that is indeed the case than how come only the Maine group was made privy to that part of a public RFP call???

Adamil,
Are you coming to West Springfield for the show?? If you are I will be glad to show you what we got. I would also be glad to work with you any and all help would be appreciated.
As an alternative if you could get up to the Windsor area tomorrow or Sunday we can do lunch.

Regards,
Scott K

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:55 pm

While really having no proverbial dog in this fight....

... it occurs to me that this many years after the fact, some condition of donation/display that mandates that the loco "must stay on MEC rails" is fairly unenforceable in 2013. Is there anyone left, in the corporate remnants of Maine Central/Pan Am Railways/whoever they are today that 1) cares enough about this loco's fate or location, and 2) cares enough to initiate legal action thereof regarding said agreement? (We're talking anyone with a realistic claim to being able to initiate such action, not someone filing yet another STB petition to start some railroad using this loco and some right-of-way lord-knows-where-this-time-around....)

Obviously, the idea of such a covenant is to keep the loco from being sold to hang from a casino ceiling, from being scrapped in a World War Five scrap drive, etc. But, sheesh, if anyone cared that much, wouldn't they have told the city to surrender the locomotive already simply based on its neglected condition and potential hazard? Has any organization ever reclaimed its display loco or car based on proscribed situations post-donation?

John D · **Joined:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 2:28 pm **Posts:** 485

ADM-to answer your question (a good point, BTW)-the only example I can recall in recent memory concerned Atlanta and West Point 290. IIRC, it was viewed as a potential candidate to become a "kitbashed" (my term) Southern Railway Ps-4 and operate on Southern steam excursions. However, CSX got wind of that and put an end to that.

brettcog2000 · **Joined:** Thu May 05, 2011 8:36 am **Posts:** 159

Scott K wrote:

Brett,
If you have a RFP in place it is indeed confidential. If you have a agreement that is in place then that is a whole other ball game.

My question is very simple, is a agreement in place with the group you are in,and the City of Waterville? Yes or no will suffice.
If not. Then I would say you are stone walling other peoples efforts.

Yet again, goating people for information is not going to get you what you are asking for. As I have said in other posts, if you are that concerned about the RFP process then call the City. All they have released to the media is that there were 6 groups who put in proposals. Nothing else has been released. So that being said, they are the ones who can give you the yes or no.....not me. I do not have the authority to do so.

Scott K wrote:

I don't know anyone in the 501 group nor were they the ones making unwise comments.

Respectfully,
Scott K

Good to know. I will say no more on the matter since we can't keep the speculation to a minimum, and will not be preasured to answer questions that no one other than the City of Waterville is able to respond to. Also, it is very forward and out of sorts to accuse people of "stone walling" other peoples efforts. Especially when one has not a clue in the world what they are talking about. Only people doing the "stone walling" are the people putting undue pressue on the process by trying to circomvent it with the inability to comprehend the word no or the phrase I can't say.

Mark Z. Yerkes · **Joined:** Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:47 pm **Posts:** 486

daylight4449 wrote:

Mark Z. Yerkes wrote:

Bottom line, I don't see any of the major facilities taking it on, and that's not a bad thing. As we've seen many times, you don't need a huge shop facility to restore a large locomotive (think NKP 756)

Mark, are you sure that it's 756? Last I checked it is serving in an able capacity as my the body for my car....

Hahahah yea, fail on my part

Scott K · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:57 pm **Posts:** 20

Brett,
Implying that a agreement is in place plus stating some legal nonsense is in place is a pretty good description of stone walling. In my book.

F.Y.I. I have spoke with Waterville.

I will be the judge of what I am and am not capable of understanding.

Scott K

470man · **Joined:** Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:04 pm **Posts:** 15

What did they have to say Scott?

Terry Harper · **Joined:** Tue May 08, 2007 4:59 pm **Posts:** 148

There is no agreement in place with anybody. The City is exploring an alternative to the proposals recieved in response to the RFP.

End of story

wilkinsd · **Posted:** Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:04 pm

Five pages, snide comments, bickering, and childish arguments and back and forth, to get the last word. All of it to say:

"we know nothing, the city hasn't made a decision yet."

Terry Harper · **Joined:** Tue May 08, 2007 4:59 pm **Posts:** 148

Correct.

wilkinsd · **Posted:** Fri Jan 11, 2013 5:08 pm

Thanks Terry, I was just making sure I was reading things correctly.

10stewi · **Posted:** Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:20 pm

"I have no dog in the hunt, just wanted to say what a nice looking roundhouse! Nice to see one in good repair." Thanks Frisco 1522! I'm glad someone else noticed my post! It seems like everyone is so caught up in this argument. Does anyone know how long the 470 is? I was looking back at some video I shot at the roundhouse and the FL9 fits on with what I would estimate as about 6 feet of clearance on each end. Hope she fits!

Terry Harper · **Joined:** Tue May 08, 2007 4:59 pm **Posts:** 148

76' 6-1/2" LOA

IC382 · **Joined:** Fri Mar 26, 2010 11:28 am **Posts:** 135

"NO, mine is bigger!" The little boy then marched off to the corner and continued to cry as he realized that there was nothing he could do except what his mommy told him. Cartman only stopped crying when his mommy poured him another extra large bowl of Cheese Poofs sprinkled with Weight Gain 2000.

Cartman's mom is so proud of narcissistic, overweight, stay at home son. He knows everything.

Several of you probably get my sense of humor...the rest of you are offended.

Scott K · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:57 pm **Posts:** 20

I agree this has degenerated into a pissing match. Not where I want to be.

There is no agreement in place is exactly what I was trying to say. My apologies that I do not articulate thoughts that well.

Regards,
Scott K