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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:33 pm 

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I was doing some digging, and I came across an OB Lightweight that sold a few years back. Anyone have a history of this car (I'd like to say it was one of the County-series cars, but I could be mistaken) and what happened to it since being sold?
http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/det ... ounge-SOLD

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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:57 pm 
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There are two American Flyer coaches stored at RMNE. One is to be rebuilt and the other is a parts donor, both ex-NH but I don't know their numbers off hand. They are way down on the list of projects so will be stored long term.


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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:07 pm 

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MEC_557 wrote:
There are two American Flyer coaches stored at RMNE. One is to be rebuilt and the other is a parts donor, both ex-NH but I don't know their numbers off hand. They are way down on the list of projects so will be stored long term.

So, counting the two at RMNE, the lounge at Shelburne Falls, the two at Ct. Eastern, the BAR car at Shelburne Falls, the car in East Deerfield, the car in Washington and a diner and observation in Ohio (I can't seem to find the thread where they were brought up), that makes 10 cars that have know locations floating around here, 11 counting wherever the combine that the Susquehanna used ended up...

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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:43 pm 

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And the car on LI.

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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:00 pm 

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Hold on here. We're talking apples and oranges.

There were 1934-38 Osgood Bradley lightweight streamlined coaches (and some other configurations-- grill cars, bagg-RPO and combines) having no stainless steel fluting, with a tubular cross-section. New Haven got the first ones in 1934. B&M, BAR, SSW, and SAL all had cars of this style. They became colloquially known as "American Flyer" cars, as New Haven-based A.C. Gilbert Co., maker of American Flyer S-gage trains, made models of the NH coaches about 1940 and for years afterward.

After WW2, New Haven ordered over 100 coaches and dozens of other cars (parlors, parlor-lounge bags, 2 round-end obs cars, diners and grill cars) from Pullman's Bradley Plant in Worcester, Mass. These cars were carbon steel with stainless fluting, and had some similarities to the pre-war cars in roof profile, etc. But they were very different looking cars, and had different trucks, tightlock couplers, D-22 brakes, etc.

The New Haven referred to the pre-war cars as "streamlined coaches", and the post war cars as "Stainless Steel" cars (too bad they weren't Budd-built all- stainless!).

The NYS&W combine is one of the post-war "County" bagg-parlor-lounges, with the fluting removed.

MEC 901 is a pre-war car.

RMNE has two pre-war cars, 8286 and 8341.

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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:02 pm 

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Dylan,
There is only one OB AF car at SFTM, the BAR coach. No lounge, no diner.
Last I knew the PAS OB car was in Billerica, has it been moved to E Deerfield?

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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:07 pm 

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If you are including the postwar Osgood Bradley cars, I can add a few more New Haven cars to the list:

NH 476, "Bunker Hill"
NH 8619
NH 8676
NH 8646
These four cars are at Dabo, Inc. in Orrville Ohio (google earth still shows them sitting there anyway, I have not seen them since 2005) and as far as I know still owned by Boulder Scientific / John Birmingham of Colorado.

Two others, former PenCentral 2524 and 2560 (I don't have there New Haven #'s anymore) were sold by Boulder Scientifc to the restaurant in Delaware and moved from Orrville in June of 2005.

Boulder Scientific also owns/owned the four cars that had been on the Queen Anne's RR in Delaware. Google earth shows them as stored in Georgetown Delaware. Those cars are;
NH 8694
PC 2505
NH 8687
NH 8648

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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:41 pm 

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S Bartlett wrote:
Dylan,
There is only one OB AF car at SFTM, the BAR coach. No lounge, no diner.
Last I knew the PAS OB car was in Billerica, has it been moved to E Deerfield?

Well, I'm running off of info a year old on the Pan Am car, so I wouldn't be shocked. Still want to know what happened to that one...

Anyway Howard, how could these be considered apples and oranges? While the materials and some of the mechanical components changed, I could argue the changes made in the post-WWII cars over the pre-war cars was a design evolution.

So, by my list, I've added five to my notes since yesterday in my spare time. Counting the Boulder Cars (I though there were only two. Interesting that I was wrong) and the Queen Anne's cars, that brings my numbers up to 22...

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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:06 pm 
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o anderson wrote:
Also a NH combination car at one time owned by the Utica and Mohawk Chapter NRHS, now located at Toppenish, WA. Both of these cars, to my knowledge, are available to anyone who wants to take them off their respective museums' hands, as they don't match the collection policies and are in rough condition. I believe the combination car was complete when originally preserved.


Anyone know the number(s) of this New Haven combine that the Northern Pacific Railway Museum has in their collection? Also, I'm guessing this is a prewar Osgood-Bradley product? Any info on the Lot and Plan numbers? Thanks in advance.

As a side note, does anyone have the number of the NP lightweight 56 seat coach at Toppenish? I know its in the 590-series. Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 7:56 pm 

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The Toppenish car is Post War, 1947 IIRC. Unfortunately I didn't get the car # on the NP coach.

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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 7:06 pm 

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Ok, so I realize I'm like a few years behind on this conversation, but I am interested to see if there are any of these cars available to be had by a museum. It may be a couple years off, but I'm thinking if our organization could get two of the O-B coaches that could be decorated up as the SP/T&NO versions. I know none of those survived.

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 Post subject: Re: The surviving Osgood Bradley coaches.
PostPosted: Sat May 01, 2021 8:04 pm 

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garyrsatx wrote:
Ok, so I realize I'm like a few years behind on this conversation, but I am interested to see if there are any of these cars available to be had by a museum. It may be a couple years off, but I'm thinking if our organization could get two of the O-B coaches that could be decorated up as the SP/T&NO versions. I know none of those survived.

Gary Rodriguez
San Antonio, TX
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If you do a search on RyPN on Osgood Bradley there are quite a few posts on remaining cars, here's one: viewtopic.php?p=310152#p310152


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