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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:52 am 

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Here is another photo, from the same day as the Lookout Mountain photo.


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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:54 pm 

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J32885,

That's a pretty good list. A few notes -- more general than specific.

I recall more than just the one Orrville car out and about.
3477 was originally C&NW
The CAGY coach, now at BGRM, was on some of the trains.
Didn't BGRM have a SOU 500 series baggage that was a commissary.
I know TVRM used New Georgia's consist or some portion near the end.
SARM's SOU 664 Fort Oglethorpe ran on a few
NYC 3135 from Colorado Pacific
I can't recall a number , but there was and IC modernized heavyweight coach.
David Ross had a post war Budd
What about the "Great Steel Fleet" from New Orleans?
There were the MTM cars from Memphis.
The "Pine Tree State" and the "Pomona".

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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:28 pm 

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I thought a bout the Dover Harbor too, after I posted.

I also don't see the Fort Mitchell in the list.

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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:39 pm 

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The following are "alive & well" at the Heart of Dixie Railroad Museum in Calera, AL:

Frisco Coach 1062 is still in service being used in Saturday excursion service.

IC Dome 2202 is stored serviceable and is used on the North Pole Express every winter.

Santa Fe 2931 is stationary used for meetings and birthday parties.

Southern 4527 is stored serviceable.


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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:40 am 

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etalcos wrote:
J32885,

That's a pretty good list. A few notes -- more general than specific.

I recall more than just the one Orrville car out and about.
3477 was originally C&NW
The CAGY coach, now at BGRM, was on some of the trains.
Didn't BGRM have a SOU 500 series baggage that was a commissary.
I know TVRM used New Georgia's consist or some portion near the end.
SARM's SOU 664 Fort Oglethorpe ran on a few
NYC 3135 from Colorado Pacific
I can't recall a number , but there was and IC modernized heavyweight coach.
David Ross had a post war Budd
What about the "Great Steel Fleet" from New Orleans?
There were the MTM cars from Memphis.
The "Pine Tree State" and the "Pomona".

ETA

SOU 501 is indeed still at BGRM in Versailles.


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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 10:24 pm 

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Thanks for the recent add-ons and extra information. Will make changes to my list.

I'm hoping someday to put together a website which has both pictures and videos info on both the Old (SOU-NS 1966-1994) and New (21st Century 2011-Present) NS Steam Programs.

I find it interesting, that many of the old excursion fleet cars are still around. A few cars have changed hands since 1994. It would be nice to see some few put back into service for the 21st Century Steam. I'm guessing many of them would need to up-to-date for current FRA-NS-AMTK Standards, before being put back into service again. Also, how many of the current owners would like their equipment to leased them out to NS, FWRHS (NKP 765), TVRM (SOU 610-4501), & VMT-NCTM (N&W 611). So far, most of the current 21st Century Steam excursion fleet comes from the following: Iowa Pacific Holdings, Mid-America Railcar Leasing, Norfolk Southern, NRHS Watauga Valley, & Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum.

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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:20 am 

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Former N&W PM class coach 1723, formerly owned by the Tidewater Chapter NRHS and housed at tge Crewe Railroad Museum in Crewe, VA, was also used on the excursions.
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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 9:23 am 

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I watched a video just last evening. It was a Pentrex video of Eastern Canada ore hauling railroads. Highlighted on the film was a twice per week passenger train operated by the Quebec North Shore and Labrador. There were 4 or 5 stainless steel coaches with fluted sides that the video identified as ex-Southern Crescent cars purchased by QNS&L in 1979.

I could not make out car numbers on the video. Would these cars have been part of the Southern excursion fleet prior to their sale?

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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:18 pm 

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SOU 841-845 were all former Southern Crescent Stainless Steel Budd Coaches. They were regulars most of the time during the SOU-NS Program up till the very end. They got upgraded and repainted into N&W-NS Colors. There were probably more ex-Southern Budd Coaches, that may of been used for one trip or another. Many of these passenger cars ended up into Amtrak service.

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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:01 pm 

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"277 SOU (D&H) Combination ----------- Cuyahoga Scenic"

This should read...
727 Fort Mitchell SOU (CG) Combination ----------- Cuyahoga Scenic

"7003 NYC (UP) Vista Dome Charter Club Charter Wire Company"

Doubt seriously if this car ever operated on any excursion as it was heavily modified into a private car. Prior to being rebuilt in 2001 the car had been owned by the C P Huntington chapter NRHS and was painted as UP 7003.

Another dome car that you are likely are thinking of was Virginia Rail Investment Corp. VRIX 200 Roanoke which was formerly AutoTrain 702, originally UP 7002. The car was painted in tuscan red with a Harbor Mist gray roof...

http://trainweb.org/DOMEmain/picUP7002f.jpg

The car went on to serve on the St. Louis Car Co. excursions and Rail Cruise America before being sold to the Kansas City Southern, becoming their #1940 Kansas City, though now heavily modified with hideously long windows.

"4802 GTW (UP) Coach -------------- Tennessee Central
4804 GTW (UP) Coach -------------- Tennessee Central
4806 GTW (UP) Coach City Of Huron Tennessee Central"

These cars carried the same paint scheme as VRIX 200 and operated on a number of excursions. Not sure who "GOLD" was as it does not show up on any reporting marks website but the TC website said that they were sold by SEMTA to Mad River and Nickel Plate Historical Society so they may have been the ones who "GOLD" belonged too. Only 4802 and 4806 is listed on the website... shown with RPCX reporting marks.
http://www.tcry.org/equipment/up4802.htm

Here is a shot of GOLD 4802...
http://www.morscher.com/rr/1991/19910706_04.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:29 pm 

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Additional info...

"842 SOU Coach Southerner CSX Transportation '_'"

Should read...
842 SOU Coach The Southerner to WMSR, to CSXT 994525 Tennessee

"843 SOU Coach Crescent New York & Greenwood"
The shortline's name is New York & Greenwood Lake

"845 SOU Coach Tennessean Kentucky RR Museum WMSR 845"

Should read...
845 SOU Coach The Tennessean to WMSR, to Kentucky RR Museum

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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:56 pm 

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Clarification: Southern coaches 841-845 are Pullman shells finished at Hayne Shop, not Budd. They originally rode on trucks from scrapped pre-war cars. These trucks were later replaced.


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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:43 pm 

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Add Atlantic Coast Line coach 222. I rode that one on a Shenandoah Valley Line diesel excursion (Hagerstown, Md.-Luray, Va.) that was supposed to have the F-units, but they got called for some other job and we got standard freight diesels instead. Air conditioning was not the best in that car; I was later told the A/C had been giving trouble for years.

Best riding car in the train, discovered during a walk-through, was a former SR heavyweight coach on six-wheel trucks (sorry, don't recall the number). This was the only car like this in the train that day.


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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:38 pm 

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"Best riding car in the train, discovered during a walk-through, was a former SR heavyweight coach on six-wheel trucks (sorry, don't recall the number). This was the only car like this in the train that day."

Use to draw a heavyweight from time to time on the Crescent and Piedmont... always a ride as smooth as a baby's butt but a little wheel noise on some of the tighter curves at speed. Man, those were the days!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Southern Excursion Fleet
PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:59 pm 

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GOLD was the reporting mark for the late Bill Fuehring's Company which I think was the Golden Age Railroad Equipment Co. At least I remember the Golden Age part, might have the rest of the name off a little. I've got one of Bill's cards around here somewhere and can check when I find it.

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