The other car in Yakima is a former Florida East Coast Baggage Dormitory named Fort Monmouth. The car is stripped on the inside and is without its original trucks. I suspicion it and the F unit shell will end up scrapped. The Fort Monmouth also came to the shopping center from Melco Labs.

To add some more history: SOU 832 and 829 were sold at the same time to a man named John McGoff, the controversial newspaper owner from northern Michigan, who bought a bunch of other equipment circa 1982 from Amtrak and VIA. They were sold to Bluewater circa 1985. 832 was given to TVRM last year. There was one other SOU coach that passed through Michigan before its owner sold it to VIA (and made quite a profit doing so). That may have been the 830. I am not sure if Bluewater briefly owned this car or not - I will research that. 829 retains its circa-1970 Southern interior and upholstery, with just a few Amtrak stickers on the walls.

I think there is a reason many of these cars got scrapped before their time: they had steam air conditioning. Not only was that unworkable for excursion operators, but the steam systems didn't even have any components that could be re-used, as did cars with DC battery air conditioning. The steam systems had to be completely removed and replaced. That probably explains why Amtrak unloaded all of them instead of converting them to Heritage Fleet. Otherwise, the cars I have seen (coaches of 829/832 vintage) were of excellent condition both inside and out, and would have made an excellent excursion fleet, or would have done quite well on Amtrak.

Chris.

Actually the 829 had its interior revamped by Bluewater Chapter prior to being donated to the Southern Appalachia Railway Museum. The seats were reupholstered, the floor tile was replaced, and the walls were painted. The car has had retention tanks installed by SARM and there are further electrical and air conditioning upgrades planned for the future.

I confused 829 with 832 regarding which was renovated by Bluewater.
You can see Jackie Robinson get onto the 832 in the movie "42". There was reportedly also an interior scene shot for this move that didn't make it into the final cut.

Here's the current list of coaches with either no disposition information or with an unknown current status:

52 seat coaches, 1949, Budd, Lot #9613-030:

SOU #816 to Amtrak #5278 to Alaska RR #5200 to Denver Railcar #5200. Current whereabouts?

SOU #820 to Amtrak #5281 to Alaska RR #5203 to Denver Railcar #5203. Amtrak registration #800416. Current whereabouts?

SOU #821 to Amtrak #5282 to Alaska RR #5204 to Denver Railcar #5204 "Spruce". Amtrak registration #800418. Current whereabouts?

Of the eight coaches that Denver Railcar acquired from Alaska in 1989, I know the Denver Railcar names of only two, but did any of the other six have names while in DRCX ownership? I'm asking because many of the other cars that DRCX purchased (of FEC, SAL, ACL, NYC, and AT&SF heritage) were given either "Silver" names or named after different varieties of trees. This was in addition to the sleepers and domes from D&RGW and CB&Q that already carried "Silver" names. I don't have anything close to a complete DRCX roster, and my info on the scope of their operations is limited.

52 seat coach, 1941, P-S, Lot #6646, Plan #7456:

SOU #900 "South Carolina". No disposition information whatsoever.

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

The 900 was converted to the 706 which was a baggage dormitory coach. It survived until the Southern Crescent was turned over to Amtrak. It was acquired by the Asheville Chapter at some point. The car is currently sitting in the Southern Railway Station in Knoxville and is owned by the Old Smoky Railway Museum. Both the car and OSRM need to be put out of their misery.

The three Budd Coaches you listed above were probably rebuilt for use on the Acadian. I will have to do some digging on that. I will also have to do some digging on who bought them at the auction.

As for the question about the names, I think all cars owned by Denver Rail Car were named but many of them never actually had the name applied anywhere on the car. I guess the name in many cases was just on paper. I will have to do some digging on that as well.

Let me see if I can reconcile this.......

816 was Alaska/DRC 5200 Silver Aspen. This car might be the one that we think also went to Grand Canyon Railway. I was under the impression that they bought two and have put one in operation but I'm about to contradict that below. There was some rumor that they scrapped this one but I have never been able to verify that.

817 was Alaska/DRC 5201 Silver Cedar. This is the car now in Florida.

819 was Alaska/DRC 5202 Silver Maple. This is our car (Walden's Ridge...me and ETA)

820 was Alaska/DRC 5203 Silver Pecan. Not sure of its whereabouts. This car was rebuilt for operation on the Acadian.

821 was Alaska/DRC 5204 Silver Spruce. Also not sure of its whereabouts. Also rebuilt for the Acadian.

822 was Alaska/DRC 5205 Silver Walnut. Rebuilt for the Acadian. This is the car that is at Grand Canyon Railway and in operation.

828 was Alaska/DRC 5206 Shows to be the Willow. Not sure if that was supposed to be Silver Willow or not. This is the car that had the end crunched and is now at Gateway Rail.

The notes show that the three cars rebuilt for the Acadian (820, 821, 822) and the 816 all went to the same bidder in the auction. So if that information is correct then there should be a total of four cars at Grand Canyon since we know that is where the 822/5205 went. So somebody close to the Grand Canyon railway might be able to chime in. I was under the impression that they bought one car for parts and logically that would be the 816. The only other car that went to the Alaska and DRC was the Fort McPherson and we know where that is. Is this clear as mud?

Thanks, Hayneshopcat, for all the information concerning the coaches that went to Denver Railcar!

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

Part Three is now in the works.

The 841 thru 846 were leased to Amtrak in late 1979 returning in November of that year.

815 was sold to Speno in 1979 at various times it was SRGX 709, RMS 13, MW 132, and RMSX 122. It went to VIA in the spring of 1993 and became VIA 4006

825 was sold to Speno in 1979. It went to Central New York Dining Car and then to VIA in 1979. It became VIA 4002

826 and 827 were Speno also and we've documented those already.

Don't forget SOU/CNO&TP 3786 thru 3789 all to QNS&L

ETA

Thanks, ETA, for the information regarding the lease of #841-#846 and for the info on CNO&TP #3786-#3789, which will be listed in Part Three!

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

Part Three coming soon.

Part Three: Head End, Dining & Lounge Cars

I was not able to locate as many dispositions for cars in Part Three.

Part Two Addendum: Coaches

52 seat coaches constructed in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3138:

CNO&TP #3786 sold to QNS&L in 1979.
CNO&TP #3787 sold to QNS&L in 1979.
CNO&TP #3788 sold to QNS&L in 1979.
CNO&TP #3789 sold to QNS&L in 1979.

Thanks, ETA, for catching that I had missed those in Part Two, and for providing their disposition!

56 seat coaches constructed in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6647 to Plan #7457A in PRR Class P85A:

Assigned to the Southerner.

PRR #4030 "New York"
PRR #4031 "New Jersey"

No disposition information for these two.

PRR #4032 "Pennsylvania" wrecked on Pennsy train #208 on 2/7/1956 at Kokomo, IN. Subsequently scrapped.

I also didn't include the P-S baggage dormitory coaches from 1941, those are listed below.

Head End Cars:

Baggage-RPO (length?) constructed in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6813 to Plan #7597:

Assigned to the Crescent.

WofA #87 to MofW #7241. Currently part of a restaurant in Vinings, GA, with the name plates from 10-6 sleeper "Chattahoochee River".

Baggage constructed in 1945 by AC&F in Lot #2727:

Built for CofG. To SOU 6/1963.

CofG #453
CofG #454
CofG #455
CofG #456
CofG #457

No disposition information for these five.

CofG #458 to Savannah Chapter NRHS and painted white for blood drive with "Savannah Chapter" and "American Red Cross" lettering at both ends.

Baggage-RPO (30') constructed in 1945 by AC&F in Lot #2728:

Built for CofG. To SOU 6/1963.

CofG #473
CofG #474

No disposition information for these two.

Baggage dormitory 22 seat coach constructed in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6646 to Plan #7455:

Assigned to the Southerner and the Tennessean.

SOU #700 "Mississippi" wrecked in the trains #48 and #47 head-on collision at Woodstock, AL, on 11/25/1951. Subsequently scrapped. Telescoped by coach #833.

SOU #701 "District of Columbia"
SOU #702 "Delaware"
SOU #703 "Cleveland"
SOU #704 "Johnson City"
SOU #705 "Bedford"

No disposition information for these five.

Baggage dormitory constructed in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3134:

SOU #710
SOU #711

No disposition information for these two.

Baggage-RPO (length?) constructed in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6813 to Plan #7597:

Assigned to the Royal Palm.

L&N #1120 wrecked in the trains #48 and #47 head-on collision at Woodstock, AL, on 11/25/1951. Subsequently scrapped. Impacted L&N #3252 and destroyed the side/undercarriage of one of the two A&WP coaches.

L&N #1121 to Heart of Dixie Chapter NRHS as HODX #1550 (MofW number?) and located at their Heart of Dixie Railroad Museum in Calera, AL.

Baggage dormitory constructed in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3139:

L&N #1598
L&N #1599

No disposition information for these two.

Baggage-RPO (60') constructed in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6648 to Plan #7462:

Assigned to the Tennessean.

SOU #1700 "Corinth". No disposition information.

SOU #1701 "Grand Junction" to Atlanta Chapter NRHS and located at their Southeastern Railway Museum in Duluth, GA.

Baggage-RPO (length?) constructed in 1949 by P-S in Lot #6813 to Plan #7597:

Assigned to the Crescent.

SOU #1702 rebuilt to baggage #1702. When? No disposition information.

SOU #1703 rebuilt to baggage #1703. When? To Amtrak in 1979 as #1021. Converted to HEP in 4/1981 as #1126. Wrecked in 1/1986 on the northbound #14 Coast Starlight at Dupont, WA.* Stored at Beech Grove. Retired (scrapped?) in 7/1992.

*Dupont, WA, is located to the north of Olympia, to the south of Tacoma, and is immediately west of Fort Lewis. It is so named because DuPont had a facility there for many years, which was serviced by a narrow guage! line which climbed through a ravine from a dock located on Puget Sound to the DuPont facility located on the plateau above. The GN/NP mainline runs along the water at this location, and for those of you who reference timetables, Dupont is located between "Nisqually" (MP 24.5) and "West Tacoma" (MP 14.4).

Baggage-RPO (30') constructed in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6648 to Plan #7461:

Assigned to the Tennessean.

SOU #1725 "Lenoir City"
SOU #1726 "Athens"

No disposition information for these two.

Baggage-RPO (60') constructed in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3139:

SOU #1727 rebuilt to baggage #1727. When?
SOU #1728 rebuilt to baggage #1728. When?

No disposition information for these two.

Baggage-RPO (length?)-postal storage constructed in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6648 to Plan #7463:

Assigned to the Tennessean.

SOU #1750 "Decatur"
SOU #1751 "Greeneville"

No disposition information for these two.

Baggage-RPO (60') constructed in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3139:

CNO&TP #3589 rebuilt to baggage #3589. When? To Amtrak in 1979 as #1022. Converted to HEP in 5/1981 as #1127. Stored at Beech Grove in 4/2007.

Dining Cars:

Grill lounge constructed in 1947 by AC&F in Lot #2868:

Built for CofG. To SOU 6/1963.

CofG #690. To private owner in Austin, TX?

48 seat diner constructed in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6646 to Plan #7458:

Assigned to the Southerner and the Tennessean.

SOU #3300 "Virginia"
SOU #3301 "Virginia"
SOU #3302 "Virginia"
SOU #3304 "Alexandria"
SOU #3305 "Chattanooga"

No #3303?

No disposition information for these five.

Diner lounge constructed in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3137:

SOU #3399 previously in Warm Springs, GA. Sold to a private owner in 2004 and moved to Hogansville, GA, at the A&WP depot with #3899 and "Paint Rock Valley". Was the #3399 previously owned by the same private owner in Atlanta as the "Paint Rock Valley"?

Diner lounge constructed in 1950 by AC&F in Lot #3137:

CNO&TP #3899 previously in Warm Springs, GA. Sold to a private owner in 2004 and moved to Hogansville, GA, at the A&WP depot with #3399 and "Paint Rock Valley". Was the #3899 previously owned by the same private owner in Atlanta as the "Paint Rock Valley"?

Lounge Cars:

Tavern observation (round end) constructed in 1947 by Budd in Lot #9634-012:

Built for CofG (assigned to the Man O'War).

CofG #692 "Fort Benning" sold to Patrick Hall (when?) in Charlotte, NC. Sold to Melco Labs in Seattle, WA. To shopping center in Yakima, WA, as the "Track 29 Dining Company Limited Restaurant" and as office space for "Delaney Electric". Sold in 2012 to Walden's Ridge Railroad Company and moved to Oak Ridge, TN. ETA and Hayneshopcat: was the "Fort Benning" moved via TTX flatcar or highway flatbed trailer?

Tavern lounge observation constructed in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6646 to Plan #7459:

Assigned to the Southerner.

SOU #1100 "Louisiana"
SOU #1101 "Louisiana"
SOU #1102 "Louisiana"

No disposition information for these three.

Tavern lounge observation constructed in 1941 by P-S in Lot #6646 to Plan #7460:

Assigned to the Tennessean.

SOU #1150 "Washington"
SOU #1151 "Knoxville"
SOU #1152 "Memphis"

No disposition information for these three.

Pictures:

1. CNO&TP #3789 in Greensboro, NC: http://rr-fallenflags.org/sout/sou-co3789goa.jpg (Gary Overfield Collection)

2. PRR #4032 wrecked at Kokomo, IN: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1897841 (Maynard Krug photo)

3. CofG #458 in Savannah: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1091858 (Howard Shapiro photo)

4. SOU #702 in Atlanta: http://rr-fallenflags.org/sout/sou-cb0702goa.jpg (Gary Overfield Collection)

5. L&N #1120 in the wreck at Woodstock, AL, with one of the A&WP coaches directly above and L&N coach #3252 to the left: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3251840 (Bob Hasty photo)

6. HODX #1550 in Calera, AL: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1308043 (G Gerard photo)

7. SOU #1701 in Duluth, GA: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2279647 (Nick Henderson photo)

8. AMTK #1021 in Los Angeles: http://rr-fallenflags.org/sout/sou-b1021awb.jpg (William Brandron photo)

9. SOU #1726: http://rr-fallenflags.org/sout/sou-rp1726goa.jpg (Gary Overfield Collection)

10. SOU #1727: http://southern.railfan.net/images/archive/southern/passenger/sou1727baggage76.html (Tom Daspit Collection)

11. SOU #1727 on the Piedmont at Alexandria, VA: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2880824 (Frank A. Phillips Jr. photo)

12. SOU #1751: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/sr1751.jpg (North East Rails)

13. AMTK #1127 on the Capitol Limited at Elkhart, IN: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=492156 (Joe Rogers photo)

14. CofG #690 in Austin, TX: http://rr-fallenflags.org/sout/cg-l690csa.jpg (Con Sweet photo)

15. SOU #1101 in Birmingham: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=590724 (Collection of Jerry LaBoda)

Sources:

1. Photographs located via Jerry LaBoda's photo links website at: http://passcarphotos.info/

2. Numerous photographs located at: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/

3. Numerous photographs located at: http://rr-fallenflags.org/

4. Amtrak information from "Amtak by the Numbers" by David C. Warner and Elbert Simon. Ordering information here: http://on-track-on-line.com/pdfs/orderform-otol.pdf

Additions and corrections are welcome. Thanks in advance.

Went to verify that there was no 3303 and saw mention that the 3304 at some point went to an operation in Blacksburg, didn't mention state, called Cherokee Falls Scenic Railroad. Haven't heard of this operation, but found mention of a similarly named one here, viewtopic.php?p=22234#p22234.

Edit: correction, checked another source, the Chattanooga was the 3303. 3305-3312 and 3869 were a separate group of Budd diners built 1949. And with the two diner lounges already mentioned, there was an FEC car "South Bay", no number mentioned. There are some other things, too, you may find that this can fill some holes in your information: http://southernmodeler.info/SRrollingst ... u_1957.pdf

I show the following, but again, some may be stale as I have not had a chance to update some of this info in many years.

700 Wrecked 1952
701 Scrapped 1966
702 Fort Wayne RR historical Society
703 Unknown but believed scrapped
704 Wrecked 1978
705 NCTM then scrapped 1991
706 Strange note on my list that this became coach 900(2nd) in 1952 then privately owned by LA White then Asheville Chapter NRHS
710 Wrecked 1977 then LA White, then Asheville
711 Bronco Junction Medical Center Red House WV 6-5-74
1725 Scrapped 1971 Chatham Iron
1726 Scrapped 1971 Chatham Iron
1727 SOU 960408 still there
1728 SOU 960424 still there
1750 Scrapped 1971 Chatham Iron
1751 Scrapped 1971 Chatham Iron

Both Diner Lounges, the 14&4 and at least one modernized heavyweight coach where all owned by LB LLewlyn, Atlanta Union Station. From there they went to a field by the Crystal Springs Bottling plant in Warm Springs, Pine trees grew up around them and they were hidden from the main road, across the CSX. Locals vandalized them and they became a great place for drug deals. I found the owner of the bottling plant and we visited the cars with a Sheriff's deputy. I remember the comment, "you couldn't pay people to work as hard as it was to strip these cars."

Tim Andrews

Please, for the love of God/Allah/Flying Spaghetti Monster/Stephenson, when this "wiki" roster of Southern cars (and the other rosters like it) is finally completed, someone send it to the Southern Railway Historical Society or TVRM or someone to put into print, and then someone find a space to put this online "permanently" (well, as permanent as anything online ever is).

So who's going to take on the N&W cars? The UP cars? The PRR cars?

The 710 was stored with the rest of the Asheville cars on an industry spur in Fletcher, North Carolina. The 710 did not make the move to the Asheville yard with the Roanoke Valley, Coosa River, and the South Carolina. No clue if the 710 is still out at Fletcher or if it was finally scrapped.

The 711 ended up behind an industry in Cleveland, Ohio. No clue if it is still there but it was incorporated into a building and probably used as an office or for storage.

The 3304 was indeed used in some form or fashion in Blacksburg, South Carolina. When I found the car in the early 1990's the stainless fluting had either fallen off or was taken off, the trucks were gone and what remained of the body was laying in the woods with trees growing up through it. The car was lying on its side so I stood on the side of the car and took pictures. No clue how it ended up in that state.

I list the 1700 as scrapped.

I show the 1702 as going to the QNS&L.

I show that Amtrak put the 1703 up for sale but I do not know who bought it or why.

I list all of the Southerner and Tennessean observation cars as going to scrap. The 841-846 rode on the trucks from these cars for a time. Somewhere I have a photo of one of the coaches on a set of these prewar trucks.