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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Passenger Car behind NP 2626 in 1933
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:59 am 

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Courtesy of the fine folks on the Passenger Car List, a photo has been found. Please note that this shows the car in the Loewey (sp) scheme, versus the as delivered scheme.

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http://www.railwayclassics.com/images/NP16/NP16%201301.jpg

I won't count on this image being up forever, but its there now.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Passenger Car behind NP 2626 in 1933
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 6:17 am 
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timken2626 wrote:
So, when were the cars actually delivered? Any chance of finding out what colors they were delivered in?


mikefrommontana wrote:
Courtesy of the fine folks on the Passenger Car List, a photo has been found. Please note that this shows the car in the Loewey (sp) scheme, versus the as delivered scheme.

http://www.railwayclassics.com/images/NP16/NP16%201301.jpg


Found this thread while looking for something else; thought I'd add what I found:

Using Jerry LaBoda's site, found a builder's photo of the #1300 on the GNRHS-NPRHA database:

Side view, dated 5/17/1935: http://www.gn-npjointarchive.org/GeneHawkPhotos/HawkET_0423.jpg (P-S photo, Gene Hawk Collection, NPRHA archives) (click once to enlarge)

End view, dated 5/17/1935: http://www.gn-npjointarchive.org/GeneHawkPhotos/HawkET_0432.jpg (P-S photo, Gene Hawk Collection, NPRHA archives) (click once to enlarge)

Note that the #1300 was painted in a different scheme than the #1301 as photographed in Portland with the #2626.

My guess, as these cars were built in an "experimental" Lot for NP/CB&Q, that originally said cars wore several "experimental" variants of NP's Pine Tree Green paint scheme, with #1300 and #1301 painted in two distinct variants.

For comparison, here's a builder's photo of NP coach #502, wearing the more standard version of the Pine Tree Green scheme, with yellow pinstripes and lettering:

Side view, dated 10/7/1946: http://www.gn-npjointarchive.org/GeneHawkPhotos/HawkET_0202.jpg (P-S, Gene Hawk Collection, NPRHA archives) (click once to enlarge)

Sources:

1. Jerry LaBoda's photo links website: http://passcarphotos.info/

2. GNRHS-NPRHA joint archive: http://www.gn-npjointarchive.org/default.aspx

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Passenger Car behind NP 2626 in 1933
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 11:10 am 

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railfan44 wrote:
Two things about the picture make me think the train is not a scheduled train. First, it is not in Portland Union Station (opened 1896).


It's very near Portland Union Station -- note the Hotel Hoyt sign over the cab and that building was at 6th and Hoyt St .... and they're expecting people to look at the cab, note the flight of steps.

Clearly, some kind of a demo and not in regular service.

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Passenger Car behind NP 2626 in 1933
PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 3:01 pm 

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I believe that the car is CB&Q 4600, which, at the time of its delivery, should have wore green with a red window band framed with a gold stripe...

http://www.westernrailimages.com/CS-Colorado-Southern-Railway/Colorado-Southern-Railway/CS-325-Oct-25-1959-No-4600/631670856_naGi6-L.jpg
http://www.railwayclassics.com/images/CBQ30/CBQ30%204600.jpg

Here is an example of the scheme I am talking about...

http://railwayclassics.com/images/CBQ13/CBQ50-SC.jpg

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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Passenger Car behind NP 2626 in 1933
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:48 am 
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Heavenrich wrote:
railfan44 wrote:
Two things about the picture make me think the train is not a scheduled train. First, it is not in Portland Union Station (opened 1896).

It's very near Portland Union Station -- note the Hotel Hoyt sign over the cab and that building was at 6th and Hoyt St ....


Yes, the train has been backed into the North Bank / Oregon Electric Railway station yard which stub ends on the north side of NW Hoyt Street (except for one track, the original Portland - Eugene OE main line which swings over and heads south on NW 10th Avenue) and is parallel to the west side of the NW 10th Avenue ramp which rises to connect to the NW Lovejoy Viaduct which crosses over the Hoyt Street Yard to connect to the Broadway Bridge. The sidewalk handrail on the ramp is visible above the Santa Fe logo on the boxcar seen on the engineer's side of the 2626.

The OP states that this display was during the spring or summer of 1933 so it occurred either shortly before or shortly after the last run of the Oregon Electric Railway's quarter-century of interurban service in the Willamette River valley which included sleeping car service (very unusual for an interurban line!) and open-end brass-railed observation cars. One of the cars, the Champoeg, still exists at the Western Railway Museum in Rio Vista, California (http://www.newdavesrailpix.com/hicks/htm/hicks371.htm). Several of the ex-Oregon Electric interurban coaches, now over a century old, are still in service on the Black Hills Central Railroad in South Dakota and I pulled them behind the ex-Oregon-American Lumber Company 2-6-2 #105 between Banks and Vernonia, Oregon in the 1960's.


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 Post subject: Re: Mystery Passenger Car behind NP 2626 in 1933
PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:48 am 
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Thanks, Jim, for identifying the exact location!

Looks a lot different nowadays, as the entire Pearl District formerly consisting of warehouses and railyards has been redeveloped, with converted lofts, new apartment buildings, and the Portland Streetcar. Most of the Lovejoy Viaduct over said railyards was demolished, leaving only the immediate approaches to the Broadway Bridge.

I think the stated date of 1933 for this photograph is off, as the semi-lightweight CB&Q coach was built in 1935 as mentioned earlier, and this build date is confirmed by cross-referencing the Pullman Lot List in Randall's "Streamliner Cars Volume One", and seeing as how the #2626 was shopped in May of that year, this photograph would have to be from the Spring of 1935. The 2 CB&Q coaches must have been built first, as the builder's photos of NP #1300 I linked to earlier are dated 5/17/1935.

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