I may have missed it but how long is their lease for? I know it sounds like it's coming due for renewal next year and if it passes can they get a 10 year or longer?

It's May or June 2016

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/opinion/201 ... n-railroad

LETTER: Top political leaders are sending the wrong message about the Catskill Mountain Railroad

Dear Editor,

Recently on WGHQ/Kingston Community Radio, I talked with Ulster County Executive Michael Hein about how I disagreed with his plan to rip up the Kingston Plaza railroad tracks. I mentioned two points: 1) The city of Kingston residents and businesses will definitely be hurt by ripping up the tracks and end the Thomas the Train, Peanuts and the Pumpkin rides and the Polar Express events and; 2) The many visitors to train events may include business leaders who begin to like the Kingston area and may want to move a business with jobs to Kingston.

However, they will hear local news and people talk about how local leaders Hein and Kingston Mayor Shayne Gallo want to rip up the plaza tracks and effectively end the fantastic train events. Why would businesses want to locate here when they find out that Hein and Gallo are making plans that will hurt city of Kingston businesses and residents?

Let’s tell Hein and Gallo that we want to keep our railroad tracks at the Kingston Plaza.

If you would like to voice your support for Keeping the Kingston Plaza railroad tracks, come to Kingston City Hall for the Public Safety/General Government Committee meeting on Nov. 26 at 6:30 p.m.
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Ralph Mitchell

Kingston, N.Y.

The CMRR's Polar Express trains are a big hit. All trains have been sold out!

Pics here:

http://photos.greatrails.net/show/?orde ... ntain%20RR

I'm really impressed with how nice and professional the train looks now. CMRR team has stepped up their game here.

Mike Stillwell
Buena Vista, VA.

Great news!!

http://www.dailyfreeman.com/general-new ... -hein-says

Tourist train service can continue in Kingston area, Ulster County Exec Hein says
By Patricia Doxsey, Daily Freeman

Posted: 12/08/14, 4:26 PM EST

KINGSTON >> Ulster County Executive Michael Hein on Monday unveiled a new rail trail plan that will allow for the continued operation of a tourist train between the Kingston Plaza and Hurley Mountain Road in the town of Ulster.

Hein said his plan still allows for a trail that ultimately would connect the Walkway Over the Hudson and the Ashokan Reservoir, though not always side by side with the railroad tracks.

The plan represents a shift away from the “segmented rail with trail” plan first unveiled by Hein and comes as people from throughout the region flock to Ulster County to ride on the themed train rides has sponsored by the Catskill Mountain Railroad since early this fall.

Hein said that while he was pleased by the recent successes of the railroad, it played no role in the development of the new plan.

“We have continually looked to identify creative solutions that would be inclusive as possible,” Hein said.

Still, he said, “there is no question that, after years of struggling, this four-mile round-trip [train] segment has shown potential.”

Hein said any future train operator will have to deal with “significant logistical issues,” including working out agreements with the owners of the Kingston Plaza and surrounding land.

Hein said he expects the county to issue requests for proposals early in 2015 from train operators interested in running tourist trains both along the new segment of track as well as along the track between the western side of the Ashokan Reservoir and Phoenicia, as called for in Hein’s original plan.

The Catskill Mountain Railroad’s lease to use the county-owned tracks ends in May 2016.

An early Christmas gift for CMRR! Terrific news!!!

What is the "new track" referred to above? And what's the story with finding another operator for the "western side of the Ashokan Reservoir and Phoenicia"?

Does this mean that even if the tracks stay the county may find another group to lease the line to?

Will the county contribute any money to rebuilding the railway line as the trail gets developed?

^Yes, the county could find another operator.

BUT, what railroad would want to work with Ulster County after all they have done to the CMRR?

"New track" refers to the recently re-opened tracks between Rt 209 and Hurley Mountain Road.

So, in light of everything that has happened the past few years, would the county even want to negotiate a new lease with the CMRR, or would they purposefully try and find any other group to lease the line to?

And even with the development of the trail, no funds will be directed towards the railway line, even in places where the two will run parallel with each other?

And what of the Emergency funds that were tied up, will the CMRR ever be able to access that money?

Congratulations! I hope.

This seems far from a win for the CMRR. It sounds more like political spin to save some face. No tracks east of Kingston Plaza, no tracks west of Hurley Mountain road, new operator responsible for extra costs of trail build-out. Still sounds win-lose for trail vs rail. I think with the recent success of the themed trains and rapid westward expansion of trackwork that Mr. Hein and Mr. Gallo are getting worried.

Keep fighting CMRR. It nother over yet.

^Exactly, Matt.

What new tourist railroad would want to operate on 2 disconnected segments?

Here's the press release:

December 8, 2014
Contact: exec@co.ulster.ny.us
845.340.3800

ULSTER COUNTY EXECUTIVE MIKE HEIN ANNOUNCES
PROPOSAL FOR TOURISM RAILROAD AND TRAIL IN KINGSTON

Kingston, NY County Executive Mike Hein, with the support of local government officials and local business and community leaders, announced today a new proposal that would accommodate both tourism railroad operations and recreational trail development in the City of Kingston. The plan would include an additional section of the County-owned Ulster and Delaware (U&D) Railroad corridor in Kingston in a future request for proposal (RFP) for tourism railroad operations.

There are undoubtedly passionate and conflicting opinions with respect to the appropriate use for the County-owned U&D corridor that runs from Kingston to Highmount,stated County Executive Hein. While this complex issue has been the source of ongoing and passionate debate between rail and trail advocates recently and for several decades, my administration has continually remained focused on creating a solution that benefits the largest number of Ulster County residents. The plan I am releasing today is consistent with my vision to develop a world-class, interconnected rail trail system connecting the Walkway Over the Hudson to the Ashokan Reservoir while also preserving future tourism railroad operations in the City of Kingston.

Ulster County Legislative Majority Leader Donald Gregorius

This concept supports railroad tourism without compromising the integrity of the rail trail. It benefits the City of Kingston, the hiking and biking community, and railroad enthusiasts,†said Ulster County Legislative Majority Leader Donald Gregorius. This is
a reasonable and pragmatic direction for the future that benefits all of Ulster County.

Ulster County Legislator Jeanette Provenzano

While more costly, I support and endorse the proposed solution offered by County Executive Hein, which consists of an uptown Kingston rail-with-trail,†said Ulster County Legislator Jeanette Provenzano. “Regardless of whom the future operator of the railroad will be in 2016, this is a ‘win-win’ for both rail and trail. I am also delighted that Mayor Gallo is supportive of this initiative, and I am very pleased that the rail yard on Cornell Street will be removed.

Kingston City Mayor Shayne Gallo

Kingston City Mayor Shayne Gallo noted, The County Executive's plan has my full support as it is inclusive of all stakeholders, including local businesses, City residents and advocates for both rail and trail. This proposal builds upon the City's efforts to redesign Broadway and enhance connectivity between uptown, midtown and downtown Kingston while also promoting economic development and midtown revitalization, addressing longstanding environmental justice issues, linking the City to regional rail trails, and improving the quality of life for all City residents.

Tim Weidemann, Co-Chair of the Kingston Rail Trail Committee

The development of trail from mid-town to uptown Kingston is a critical element in the City's Greenline project, and I commend the County Executive for his plan to ensure this key connection, said Tim Weidemann, Co-Chair of the Kingston Rail Trail Committee. While it is clear that the limited segments of trail-alongside-rail will be more expensive to construct than trail only, this compromise provides a common sense solution to a complex issue that will ensure Kingston has a beautiful linear park connecting key neighborhoods.

Donna Brooks, owner of Hudson Coffee Traders

County Executive Hein has always demonstrated a commitment to finding reasonable solutions, stated Donna Brooks, owner of Hudson Coffee Traders. As someone who lives in New Paltz and owns a business in Kingston, I support his plan, which will be beneficial for Kingston, New Paltz and all of Ulster County.

Karen Clark Adin, Owner of Bop to Tottom

Karen Clark Adin, Owner of Bop to Tottom in uptown Kingston said, Kingston's continued economic growth requires development of rail trail connections in Kingston that link to other regional rail trails. The County Executive's well thought out alternative delivers this while also allowing uptown businesses to benefit from seasonal and special event tourist trains.

Kevin Smith, Chairman of Woodstock Land Conservancy/Co-Chair of Friends of the Catskill Mountain Rail Trail

"This is a win-win, practical solution to the problem of how to accommodate limited tourist train operations while preserving a destination-quality trail network linking the Ashokan Reservoir and Catskill Park through Kingston to the Walkway Over the Hudson, highlighted Kevin Smith, Chairman of the Woodstock Land Conservancy and Co-Chair, Friends of the Catskill Mountain Rail Trail. This new proposal offers the promise of preserving the best of both worlds, and doing so without burdening the trail project with substantial additional costs to the County. We look forward to continuing the planning process to realize the Ulster County Rail Trail Project as a top-flight attraction linked to the county-wide trail network and the Kingston Greenline hub for tourism, non-motorized transportation and multiple recreational uses."

Dr. Kathleen Nolan, Senior Research Director of Catskill Mountainkeeper/ Co-Chair of the Friends of the Catskill Mountain Rail Trail

"From Mike Hein's first announcement of his vision for Ulster County's unified, world-class trail network, our County Executive's leadership has generated energy, ideas, funding, and a can-do spirit that has already resulted in additions, improvements, and enhancements to many of our trails and trail networks, noted Dr. Kathleen Nolan, Senior Research Director of Catskill Mountainkeeper and Co-Chair of the Friends of the Catskill Mountain Rail Trail. This new approach to addressing the desire of rail supporters to preserve a section of the corridor for tourist train operations in Kingston, in addition to hamlet centers in western segments of the U&D Corridor, again demonstrates Executive Hein's flexibility and creative approach to problem-solving."

Elenie Loizou, Owner of Dietz Stadium Diner

I want to thank County Executive Hein because this plan helps my business, said Elenie Loizou, Owner of Dietz Stadium Diner.



The County Executive's plan would convert some parts of the U&D corridor into trail only, develop two limited sections of rail alongside trail, and utilize the former O&W Railroad corridor to allow for trail connections to the Hurley Rail Trail and Ashokan Reservoir. The plan includes the following:

The unpermitted rail maintenance and storage yard between Cornell and O'Neil Streets will not be allowed and from this location to the Kingston Plaza would become trail only.

From the east end of the Kingston Plaza to the west side of Washington Avenue, the railroad tracks and rail trail would run and operate parallel.

From Washington Avenue, the railroad only would run along the U&D corridor to State Route 209 with rail alongside trail between Route 209 and Hurley Mountain Road, where the railroad operations would end.

From Washington Avenue, the rail trail would follow the former O&W Railroad corridor to the Hurley Rail Trail, where it would cross under Route 209 using an existing underpass (or farm crossing) to ensure safe pedestrian and bicycle access under this roadway. The trail would then head northward along the western side of the Route 209 right-of-way rejoining the U&D to head west to Hurley Mountain Road. This will require a pedestrian/ bicycle bridge structure to be built across the lower Esopus Creek.

The rail trail will then continue parallel to the U&D until it reaches Hurley Mountain Rd. where the U&D then becomes trail only. The U&D remains trail only until it reaches the western most end of the Ashokan Reservoir and the end of Ulster County's, DEP funded, extensive reservoir trail project.

As previously announced, the County will accept proposals for tourism railroad operations west of Boiceville at the western end of the Ashokan Reservoir.

In addition to the plan details above, any future railroad operations would be subject to the following conditions:

Any increased expenses of trail development resulting from this alternative would be borne, all or in part, by the future rail operator in this section.

The illegal rail yard at Cornell Street must be removed from its current location and no train activity may occur on the corridor east of the Kingston Plaza. This addresses long-standing environmental justice issues affecting the surrounding neighborhoods.

To improve public safety, the rail operator must work to ensure the installation of County-approved automated gates and flashing lights for road crossings at both Washington Avenue and Route 209.

Major logistical issues with the owners of Kingston Plaza and other adjoining landowners must be addressed by any potential future rail operator.

The discussion of the future utilization of the U&D corridor is often confused with the decision of whom ultimately may be the operator selected by the County to run any tourism railroad operations. The County Executive's alternate plan in no way predetermines any potential future operator on segments identified for potential railroad use, which will be determined through the RFP (Request for Proposal).

The plan laid out by the County Executive as outlined above sounds designed to set up the railroad (CMRR or their imagined new operator) for failure. Either this is intentional or the planners have no idea of the facilities necessary to actually operate a railroad and naturally never bothered to consider it. As others have mentioned, I think the more track the railroad can place in service next year is critical. They've already essentially had to admit they were wrong, how often does that happen in politics?

This appears to be typical political bait and switch. The county executive saves face by coming out with a proposal that seems on its face to support rails with trails, thus making him now the good guy. But it sets up requirements that nobody can fulfill, and when it doesn't work out he gets to stand up and say how he was all for the railroad but it failed on its own. Putting all of the expense of the trail construction on the rail operator drastically increases costs.

If the railyard on O'Neill Street is removed, where is the CMRR going to move theiur base of operations? This also appears to strike a fatal blow, if they take away their only shop space.

This is a wolf in sheep's clothing.