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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 12:19 pm 

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Remind him that scrap is $180-200 a ton delivered in small pieces, not in a big chunk waiting for someone to make it smaller pieces.

He might get closer to that if he rolls it into a scrap yard with overhead cranes and big cutting jaws, but.......


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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 1:30 pm 

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Cut the price in half when it's "on the hoof" and unprepared. As ADM said, it costs money to have the thing cut into pieces and delivered to a scale at the entrance to the scrapyard.

Two years ago, when RMNE had some equipment scrapped, heavy melt steel (railroad stuff) was about $250-260/ton, prepared and delivered. We netted about half that figure per ton from the cutter man.

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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 4:22 pm 

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I bet that happens a lot. Somebody thinks "as it sits there at 115 tons and scrap is $200 so it's worth at least $23k. I'll charge somebody $25k or else scrap it" even though they'll get substantially less than $23k when it's all said and done.


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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 6:24 pm 

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There has already been offers from scrap dealers around $200 a ton

I still hope to see it find a new home

Tim


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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:34 pm 

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tc-cvs wrote:
There has already been offers from scrap dealers around $200 a ton.

Which probably means that they're either 1) very hungry for work/scrap, 2) inexperienced, and/or 3) counting on "parting out" as much of the sucker as they can (traction motors, engine parts, etc.).

Remember, in the mindset of the typical junkyard, they buy the whole thing--from go-cart to train--for $XXX and hope to make back almost all that money, if not a lot more, from guys picking motors, windows, wheels, shafts, fenders, etc. THEN they make $200 a ton or whatever tossing what remains into the shredder.

This is how you get a PCC purchased for $250, someone spending $2,500 to truck it down the road, parts galore pulled out of it and stored, then the trucks yanked out and the motors sold for $2,000 each as cores for $8,000 rebuilds, and the remaining five tons or so hauled off in a truck in small pieces for $250 a ton.


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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:19 am 

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Is this still in one piece? From other forums I read it seems scrap prices are dropping quickly which would make the purchase of such pieces more feasible.


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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 10:53 pm 

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Assuming I read the thread and the ad correctly, no: 9041 hasn't been scrapped yet, Ozark Mountain has it up for sale.

http://www.ozarkmountainrailcar.com/detail.asp?id=2103


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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 1:17 am 

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There have been, unfortunately, cases of ads for equipment like this lingering long after the piece in question is sold or scrapped.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 9:08 am 

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9061 is alive and well and runs like a top.

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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 8:58 pm 

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What's the deal with the electric throttle? Was it part of an attempt to make it MU? I've seen a number of S1,2, etc...never seen one with that style throttle...


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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2016 9:38 pm 

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eze240 wrote:
What's the deal with the electric throttle? Was it part of an attempt to make it MU? I've seen a number of S1,2, etc...never seen one with that style throttle...


Remote Control.


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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2016 1:04 pm 

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Post by Baylink » Tue May 24, 2016 8:53 pm
"Assuming I read the thread and the ad correctly, no: 9041 hasn't been scrapped yet, Ozark Mountain has it up for sale."

Post by Alexander D. Mitchell IV » Tue May 24, 2016 11:17 pm
"There have been, unfortunately, cases of ads for equipment like this lingering long after the piece in question is sold or scrapped."


I think this is a relatively new ad, and it was promoted (with a picture) in a recent e-mail from Ozark Mountain. I didn't ask about it (because I have no interest in buying it and hence little reason to waste their time with an inquiry) but it would be relatively easy to confirm.

It does have to be said that the 'display picture' in the Ozark Mountain ad appears to be the same one ilustrating the original post in this thread. That may just be an artifact of the documentation provided by the actual seller to Ozark.

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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:31 pm 

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the throttle is air not electric, this S2 has no means for MU. I was past were it sits a 2 or 3 weeks ago and it is still there. I hope it find a home, we used it every weekend on the fayette central trains. ( I do miss running it )

Tim


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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:13 pm 

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tc-cvs wrote:
the throttle is air not electric, this S2 has no means for MU. I was past were it sits a 2 or 3 weeks ago and it is still there. I hope it find a home, we used it every weekend on the fayette central trains. ( I do miss running it )

Tim


I said that throttle was for remote control, never said it was electric.

I have owned or own 3 locomotives which had or have remote control.

Two have had or have a throttle like the one in this S2.

Remote control are operated by both electric and air.


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 Post subject: Re: ALCO S2 to be scraped
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:17 pm 

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