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 Post subject: Re: Anybody feel like digging for buried treasure?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:29 pm 

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How much of the loco and tender was buried when the cut was re-filled? Here's a case where the water is oxygen rich, and despite the cold, I don't think the recovered remains would be of good quality. Still, it's a great archaeological/intellectual exercise. Thanks for sharing.

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 Post subject: Re: Anybody feel like digging for buried treasure?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:11 pm 

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Buried, lost and sunken locomotives are always good stories. Just enough of them are true to keep us all going. Here is a list of the ones I have heard about in Washington:

Washington
0-4-2T Porter C/N 1117 9X14 24” 15 tons 36” gauge 12-89
Port Townsend Const. & Street Ry. Co.
US Army #1 Fort Warden (Port Townsend), WA
used as fill between 1911 and 1913
excavated 02-23-73
placed on display Ft. Warden State Park
removed from display due to asbestos
(see July 1973 Pacific News page 15 and WA Steam Locos page 37)
2T Heisler C/N 1462 16.75X14 40” 60 tons 1922
Buffelen Lbr. & Mfg. Co. #5 Eagle Gorge, WA
wrecked 1926 and abandoned
located in City of Tacoma Green River Watershed
2-6-2T Baldwin C/N 57709 17X24 44’ 61 tons 04-24
C. D. Johnson Lbr. Co. #9 Toledo, OR
Georgia-Pacific Corp. #9 “ 1951 last ran 12-31-59
dumped off of abandoned Simpson trestle for movie “Ring of Fire” 1960
resting up side down in Wynooche River near site of Camp Grisdale
Fordson 4 wheel with 1 axle trailer A. E. Steeples Engr. Co. 56.6” gauge Pole road
unknown first owner
William Ryan (Ryan Lbr. Co.) Eatonville, WA (here 09-13-28) $2000
Arthur Kerr & Wm. H. Howson “ 1929
abandoned (looks as though axle broke)
located on UofW Pack Experimental Forest Eatonville, WA
2T Shay
tank and other remains found near Brinnon by Ken Gaul
unknown
Rucker Brothers Lake Stevens, WA
reported lost in Lake Stevens 1911-1913
located 07-95 by US Navy sonar
under 35 feet of water and 14 feet of mud at north end of lake
on right side 25 to 30’ long may be ex Virginia & Trukee 2-6-0
unknown
supposedly located on Oyster Creek near Blanchard, WA
unknown
supposedly buried in canal near Thorp
unknown
supposedly buried in or near Beacon Rock State Park, Stevenson, WA
unknown
locomotives reported in Lakes Balanger, Washington, Whatcom ,Crescent, and Clear Lake no other information
unknown 0-4-0T?
possibly Chinn Tbr. Co. Maple Falls, WA
supposedly on Racehorse Creek near Maple Falls, WA
reported partially buried in fill
unknown
remains of scrapped locomotive found near Morton by Dan Forest


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody feel like digging for buried treasure?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:37 pm 

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Regarding CNR 3563, I checked Don McQueen's Canadian National Steam!, Volume 6 and Don states the following about 3563:

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On November 7th 1956, the track gave way underneath 3563 near Matsqui, British Columbia, and the locomotive slid down the bank into the Fraser River. Neither the engine nor the tender was deemed economically feasible to retrieve. For more detail about the derailment, see Barrie Sanford: "Ladies of the Lakes" in The Sandhouse number 89 (March 1998.)

Pages S-35 - S-36


So it may still be there, if someone feels up for a swim...

And that's TWO abandoned locomotives that have now been documented, as sinking and swimming...

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 Post subject: Re: Anybody feel like digging for buried treasure?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:11 pm 

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More sunken locos in BC.

2-6-0 Canadian National Ry #417
Fell into Armstrong Lake, written off 10-20
2-8-0 Canadian National Ry #2727
Hit rockslide and went into Kamloops Lake 01-14-34
2-8-0 Canadian Pacific Ry #3512
Lost off of barge into Slocan Lake 1947
2-8-0 Pacific Great Eastern Ry #53
Hit rockslide and went into Seton Lake 01-23-50
2-8-0 Pacific Great Eastern Ry #56
Hit rockslide and went into Anderson Lake 08-02-44


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody feel like digging for buried treasure?
PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 9:55 pm 

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John T wrote:
More sunken locos in BC.

2-6-0 Canadian National Ry #417
Fell into Armstrong Lake, written off 10-20
2-8-0 Canadian National Ry #2727
Hit rockslide and went into Kamloops Lake 01-14-34
2-8-0 Canadian Pacific Ry #3512
Lost off of barge into Slocan Lake 1947
2-8-0 Pacific Great Eastern Ry #53
Hit rockslide and went into Seton Lake 01-23-50
2-8-0 Pacific Great Eastern Ry #56
Hit rockslide and went into Anderson Lake 08-02-44


Are those all thought to be lying on a hard bottom or sunk into a soft bottom? If the former, has anybody found them by diving? I suspect that some might be in really deep water.


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody feel like digging for buried treasure?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 1:46 am 

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There is supposed to be a locomotive (the J.G. Kellogg from the Anderson & Bella Vista RR) in the Sacramento River near Deschutes Road near Anderson CA.

No attempts to find it have been successful yet, but a wheel which may be from it was found in the river in 2012.

http://www.redding.com/news/wheel-found-in-river-may-be-from-lost-locomotive


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody feel like digging for buried treasure?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:49 am 

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2-8-0 Canadian Pacific Ry #3512
Lost off of barge into Slocan Lake 1947

Just about everyone's favorite "bring it back topic" is sunken locomotives!

My posting here is a repeat from some time ago, but I took a shot at pitching recovery of CPR 3512 to the Discovery Channel several years ago. In fairness, I probably did it all wrong, and sadly, there has been a great deal of internet fluff to make us believe everything on Discovery is scripted in advance. That being said:

Slocam Lake is cold, freshwater, 600 feet down.
The locomotive was followed by a caboose, a snowplow, several cars of wood.
The locomotive was alleged to have be seen by underwater cameras, sitting upright on the lake floor, with only apparent damage being the pilot. It isn't buried.
If the boiler did not suffer a catastrophic failure, the locomotive might be in very good condition for restoration, or at least static display. It's a heck of a story about loss and recovery.
A mini-submarine would easily reach that depth, but getting salvage equipment in would be more problematic. The technology to remove such a load at that depth exists.
Environment Canada would have to be involved.
A television season about search and recovery would be a killer show, a second season about restoration would be a great followup. Discovery would have its name attached to a serious piece of historical research and recovery.

Start writing your letters to Discovery.

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 Post subject: Re: Anybody feel like digging for buried treasure?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:25 pm 

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the sunken Franco-Belge 0-6-0T that was recovered from Gatun Lake in the Panama Canal a few years ago. A relic of the abortive French canal construction attempt of the 1880s, she'd been down there since the lake was flooded over 100 years ago. So yes, it's even possible in the humid tropics.

http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/trains/panama02.htm

-Philip Marshall


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody feel like digging for buried treasure?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:20 pm 

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Regarding the muskeg engine and the boiler full of water, even if that water were rich in oxygen when she sank, wouldn't the corrosion to the boiler be very limited?

There's oxygen. It reacts with the iron molecules in the steel and forms iron oxide (rust). Then that's it. The oxygen got used up. No more oxygen means no more corrosion...at least that type of corrosion stops. It's not like you're continuing to pump in more O2-laden water. As for corrosion from outside, that all depends on the oxygen content of the bog water. But the point was about corrosion from the boiler water and I think that is self limiting.


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 Post subject: Re: Anybody feel like digging for buried treasure?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:43 pm 

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Lost, buried and sunk locomotives of British Columbia.

http://members.shaw.ca/preservedsteambc ... _locis.htm


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