Kettle Moraine Railway Steamers

Boyd Owens · **Posted:** Sat Jan 25, 2003 4:12 pm

The National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, WI is getting two of the KMRR steam engines. One is the McCloud River Baldwin #9, the other is a 65 ton Hiesler. Both were donated to the museum by the Kettle Moraine Railway. They were spotted leaving the KMRR property yesterday.

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Peter · **Posted:** Sat Jan 25, 2003 9:21 pm

Does anyone know where the KM's two ex-DL&W steel coaches and ex-CNJ steel combine is going?

> The National Railroad Museum in Green Bay,
> WI is getting two of the KMRR steam engines.
> One is the McCloud River Baldwin #9, the
> other is a 65 ton Hiesler. Both were donated
> to the museum by the Kettle Moraine Railway.
> They were spotted leaving the KMRR property
> yesterday.

Jason Midyette · **Posted:** Sat Jan 25, 2003 10:03 pm

If I remember right, the CNJ steel combine is now at the Santa Fe Southern Railwy in Santa Fe New Mexico. The expect to begin using it later this year.

Jason MIdyette

> Does anyone know where the KM's two
> ex-DL&W steel coaches and ex-CNJ steel
> combine is going?

amjm@indra.com

Alan Levy · **Posted:** Sun Jan 26, 2003 12:55 am

Do we know if the steamers will see use out there? Do they have a place to run them? Is the staff qualified?

I remember is the book "Twight of the Steam Locomotive" there was an ex LS&I 2-8-0 doing some switching there. I know this a long time ago and way before the rules...

-Alan Levy

alanl759@aol.com

Boyd Owens · **Posted:** Sun Jan 26, 2003 9:13 am

Just found out that what left KM wasn't actually the two steamers donated to the National RR Museum. It was the 3rd steamer, W&OV #1. She's headed for display in Black River Falls, WI.
Sorry for the bad info.

Boyd

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george · **Posted:** Sun Jan 26, 2003 12:34 pm

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Boyd Owens · **Posted:** Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:37 pm

Haven't seen the photo, but supposedly the Madison, WI paper last week had a photo of the L&N business car from Baraboo, WI being loaded onto a low-boy trailer for transport to Black River Falls to be a display companion for the W&OV #1.

Boyd

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dave · **Posted:** Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:38 pm

Working in Deleware awaiting the new Cheesehead in charge to rehire the two remaining Cheeseheads back on to CATS. Might as well rename it Wisconsin Southern!

Hope they get their act together soon.

Dave

Peter · **Posted:** Sun Jan 26, 2003 9:07 pm

What the heck is this guy talking about??? I just want a straight answer.

> Working in Deleware awaiting the new
> Cheesehead in charge to rehire the two
> remaining Cheeseheads back on to CATS. Might
> as well rename it Wisconsin Southern!

> Hope they get their act together soon.

> Dave

Erik Ledbetter · **Posted:** Sun Jan 26, 2003 10:51 pm

> What the heck is this guy talking about??? I
> just want a straight answer.

Whoah, pardner, settle down. Dave's answer was accurate, just in friendly joshing terms.

Dave is saying that he expects Mr. Butler to go back to Cumbres and Toltec once the new Executive Director of the Friends of the C&TS settles in and the RGRPC completes its negotiations with the C&TS Commission for a new stint as operator of the line.

Altoona RRM roundhouse project
eledbetter@rypn.org

L Beckman · **Posted:** Sun Jan 26, 2003 11:46 pm

> Haven't seen the photo, but supposedly the
> Madison, WI paper last week had a photo of
> the L&N business car from Baraboo, WI
> being loaded onto a low-boy trailer for
> transport to Black River Falls to be a
> display companion for the W&OV #1.

> Boyd

Boyd: Any word on what has happened to the other equipment from Kettle Moraine Ry. including the passenger cars, cabooses and freight cars?

Thanks!

Les Beckman (HVRM)

midlandblb@cs.com

The talking''Q''head · **Posted:** Mon Jan 27, 2003 12:29 am

What happen to the LeeTiewater 2-6-2 #16 that was in kit form? I thought I heard it went to someone in Illinois.

spirek5@aol.com

dave · **Posted:** Mon Jan 27, 2003 8:08 am

> What the heck is this guy talking about??? I
> just want a straight answer.

Sorry Peter, I didn't know you were asking the question.

I figured anybody interested would be familiar enough with the persons and situations involved to understand my somewhat tongue in cheek response.

In more concrete terms, Steven is doing some contract work in Delaware. He has been doing contract work while the CATS evolution finds its way. Now a new director for Friends, the new / old operating entity has been named who is also from Wisconsin, thus the Cheesehead terminology.

Hopefully, new agreements to get Steven and Kelly back to work will be ironed out very soon. The railroad is running short of time to prepare for operation in 2003, and sources of funding adequate to complete necessary repairs are not entirely in hand, consequently my encouragement that they get things worked out so everybody can get back to work ASAP.

Given the preponderance of Wisconsin folk involved in management at CATS my remark about renaming it Wisconsin Southern was a tease not to be taken literally. Wisconsin Southwestern would be more appropriate, Wiconsin Elevated Railway even moreso.

If I still haven't made myself clear please contact me offlist and I will try to make it simpler.

dave

Boyd Owens · **Posted:** Mon Jan 27, 2003 10:53 am

So far my sources haven't seen anything else depart besides the steam engine and the two passenger cars reported here on RYPN, but that doesn't mean some things haven't left when they weren't looking. I hope to get up that way soon and check it out for myself. I'm also not sure exactly what may have left before the auction, I've only been keeping track since then.

Boyd

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Peter · **Posted:** Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:30 pm

When you say he is doing contract work in Delaware, is her working with Bob Yuill on the overhaul of Wilmington and Western's 4-4-0 No. 98?

> Sorry Peter, I didn't know you were asking
> the question.

> I figured anybody interested would be
> familiar enough with the persons and
> situations involved to understand my
> somewhat tongue in cheek response.

> In more concrete terms, Steven is doing some
> contract work in Delaware. He has been doing
> contract work while the CATS evolution finds
> its way. Now a new director for Friends, the
> new / old operating entity has been named
> who is also from Wisconsin, thus the
> Cheesehead terminology.

> Hopefully, new agreements to get Steven and
> Kelly back to work will be ironed out very
> soon. The railroad is running short of time
> to prepare for operation in 2003, and
> sources of funding adequate to complete
> necessary repairs are not entirely in hand,
> consequently my encouragement that they get
> things worked out so everybody can get back
> to work ASAP.

> Given the preponderance of Wisconsin folk
> involved in management at CATS my remark
> about renaming it Wisconsin Southern was a
> tease not to be taken literally. Wisconsin
> Southwestern would be more appropriate,
> Wiconsin Elevated Railway even moreso.

> If I still haven't made myself clear please
> contact me offlist and I will try to make it
> simpler.

> dave