Reading 2100

RDGRAILFAN · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:43 pm

grease - possible source
http://www.zurnoil.com/
Located in Philadelphia near North Broad Station.
Zurn supplied a lot of product to the Reading company ..Worth a try.
Thinking of the other supplier..will look through my stuf

jasonsobczynski · **Posted:** Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:19 pm

RDGRAILFAN wrote:

grease - possible source
http://www.zuand i found onlyrnoil.com/
Located in Philadelphia near North Broad Station.
Zurn supplied a lot of product to the Reading company ..Worth a try.
Thinking of the other supplier..will look through my stuf

By all means..... But fyi, I spoke with over 40 companies and found only the one. Several made something suitable as recently as 7 years ago but simply will not any longer. All of the greases had one of the following deficiencies a) ISO 100 oil or lighter b) incorrect method of manufacture to achieve desirable drop point c) low soap content with bentone clay binders...... this being a particularly large issue as it allows the grease to "glaze" over.

nkpsteam779 · **Posted:** Sat Apr 25, 2015 2:13 am

soups wrote:

Richard Glueck wrote:

Remarkable , high end video promotion on their website. Somebody is pumping big bucks into this project. She's a totally worthwhile locomotive.

By the way, "Fire Up 2100" is a terribly clever name!

Pretty sure that's Kelly Lynch's video (nathansixchime) from Fort Wayne Railroad Historical Society. He's a talented videographer and the social media brains behind 765's giant online following. Unfortunately for him, he probably didn't get too much for that project as he's a sucker for being a good dude for good causes. But I won't say he didn't get paid either....just speculating he may have worked for beer. :)

Kelly started out at Fort Wayne with 765 and is still helping them. He is a independent consultant and runs his own business under Lynchpin Creative. http://www.lynchpincreative.co. He is part of the team helping on the 2100 project and he is being paid for his time as he should be. I highly recommend Kelly as you can see his work speaks for him.

M Austin · **Joined:** Sat Feb 05, 2005 1:05 am **Posts:** 488

jasonsobczynski wrote:

M Austin wrote:
Jason,
Why didn't you use the really good 600 base stock?
Matt

Unfortunately, the manufacturer had no interest (to the point of saying no) in using a heavier oil.

And the reason they gave was.......????????

mikefrommontana · **Posted:** Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:33 am

M Austin wrote:

jasonsobczynski wrote:

M Austin wrote:
Jason,
Why didn't you use the really good 600 base stock?
Matt

Unfortunately, the manufacturer had no interest (to the point of saying no) in using a heavier oil.

And the reason they gave was.......????????

Cause they (the vendor) didn't want to? If a manufacturer doesn't want to do something, because you're not buying enough, they don't want to change their process, or whatever the hell it is, there's not much you can do but accept it. Or make it yourself.

Honestly, how big a market is out there for hard grease?

Michael Seitz
Missoula MT

Bobharbison · **Joined:** Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:42 pm **Posts:** 3011

jasonsobczynski wrote:

All of the greases had one of the following deficiencies a) ISO 100 oil or lighter b) incorrect method of manufacture to achieve desirable drop point c) low soap content with bentone clay binders...... this being a particularly large issue as it allows the grease to "glaze" over.

So why are all of the manufacturers making grease differently these days? Is it intended to applications with lighter loading? I realize that the market for steam locomotive hard grease is so minute as to be non-existent, but they must be using this grease for something. Why is it working those applications? What has changed? Why is everyone ignoring the "proper" method of doing it.

Yes, the answer is almost always "It's cheaper", but the new grease must still be functional in some manner, correct?

Frisco1522 · **Posted:** Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:50 pm

I've always heard that the proper manufacture of the hard grease was dangerous. All that I know about hard grease is that since Hi-Tex 8 it's all been crap.
I think the new oil lube systems they are using on the ex-SR engines and supposedly GCRR seems to be working just fine.

Reading 900 · **Joined:** Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:27 pm **Posts:** 118

Any more information on the location of the 2100 at present?

Alan

filmteknik · **Posted:** Fri May 01, 2015 7:11 pm

Galesburg on Thursday. I've not seen any further news.

p51 · **Posted:** Fri May 01, 2015 7:14 pm

Reading 900 wrote:

Any more information on the location of the 2100 at present?
Alan

As of yesterday, both locomotive and tender (and the aux tender as well) were in the same train, sitting in the Galesburg Illinois yard waiting to move on. That's the latest I have.

Reading 900 · **Joined:** Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:27 pm **Posts:** 118

Lee, thanks for the update!

Alan

Stationary Engineer · **Joined:** Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:26 pm **Posts:** 258

I seem to remember an article on the Texas State Railroad in Locomotive and Railway Preservation. That mentioned that they made their own brick grease by mixing soft grease with graphite. I just wondered if that worked out ok over time.

Tom Hamilton

Dave · **Posted:** Sun May 03, 2015 6:19 pm

Jason, please write an article about grease. I'm getting tired of seeing the same review I wrote years ago on the title page....

dave

Overmod · **Joined:** Thu May 24, 2012 1:37 pm **Posts:** 2492

I second this. And please be as thorough a tribology nerd as you can ... we others are always eager to know more detail. That would include a full ahd careful discussion of various EP additives and friction modifiers with specific application to both main and rod bearings.

(Of course, I'm still waiting for the honest and objective investigation and scientific testing of 'nondetonation nanodiamond' as a component in bearing oil and grease lubrication ... might have to wait a wee bit longer... )

Bobharbison · **Joined:** Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:42 pm **Posts:** 3011

Maybe it's been mentioned here and I missed it in the 10 pages or so, but Overmod dropped this link over in the discussion of the current status of the UP steam shops.

Quote:

Perhaps ironically, at this very moment over on one of the Reading 2100 threads is an example of how tuly responsible people address a situation like this:

http://theroundhousepodcast.com/?p=374

This will answer a lot of questions, like the folks saying the firebox was permanently ruined (based on an extensive evaluation of ... a photo they saw of Facebook)