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 Post subject: B&O Museum Gets the York from MSI Auction
PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:55 pm 

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Baltimore, MD -The B&O Railroad Museum announced today that it has acquired at auction the locomotive "York" from the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. Acquisition of this 1926 replica of the 1831 B&O Railroad Locomotive "York" completes the Museum's collection of the three working replicas of early B&O locomotives built by the B&O's own Mt. Clare Shops in Baltimore for The Fair of the Iron Horse. The Fair was the two-week long extravaganza held at Halethorpe, Maryland in the fall of 1927 to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the founding of the B&O Railroad. As America's First Railroad, the B&O's Centenary celebrated not only the history of the B&O, but the transformational effect of railroads on the history of America. The Fair attracted over a million people from all over the world to Baltimore. Locomotives both historic and modern from other railroads from as far away as England were on site to help with the celebration.
The B&O was not only the nation's first long distance commercial railroad - it was also the railroad most devoted to preserving the key artifacts of its history. While the original York had long been lost by 1927, enough of its "descendants" were still around to make possible a highly authentic replica. The York will shortly rejoin the other two replicas built in 1927 for the Fair - Peter Cooper's "Tom Thumb" (original 1830) and "Lafayette" (original 1837) - in the Museum's spectacular Roundhouse on West Pratt Street.

Courtney B. Wilson, the Museum's Executive Director, remarked; "this acquisition repatriates an important locomotive to Baltimore. The "York" represented an important technological step in early railroad motive power development with features that would define how steam engines were built into the 1950's. We are delighted to now be able to showcase this important step in locomotive evolution to our visitors."

In 1831 the B&O Railroad planned a locomotive competition similar to the Liverpool & Manchester's famous Rainhill trials of 1829 in England. Five locomotives were entered in the competition, held between January and June of that year. The winning locomotive was the "York," named for York, Pennsylvania where the locomotive was constructed. It was the work of Phineas Davis (1795-1835), a watch-maker and early steam advocate, and built with the help of his partner Morris J. Garner (sometimes spelled Gartner).

Significantly, "York" was a four-wheel, vertical boiler locomotive with a short wheel base similar to Cooper's Tom Thumb. It featured a pair of vertical cylinders that drove vertical main rods that connected to horizontal side rods, which powered the wheels. Designed to burn anthracite coal, the York was deemed most successful of the five locomotives in the competition and after some alterations entered service on the B&O where it hauled passenger trains on the line from Baltimore to Ellicott"s Mills (now Ellicott City), Maryland. In July 1831, it was reported to have hauled a five car train with 150 passengers on board. It was capable of hauling 15 tons at 15 mph on level track, and could reach speeds of 30 mph, truly impressive statistics for the period.

After its performance at the Fair of the Iron Horse, the locomotive was sent to Chicago to participate in the Century of Progress fair held in 1933 and 1934. Afterwards, B&O Railroad officials donated the replica to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry for its permanent collection. In 1966, it was loaned for display in York, Pennsylvania, where it resided until 1976, when it was then loaned to the B&O Railroad Museum (then operated by the Chessie System) as part of Baltimore & Ohio's 150th anniversary displays in 1977. Although Chessie System officials and the Museum coveted the replica and hoped to keep it on long term loan, in 1980 it was returned to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry to be part of a railroad-themed exhibition.

The B&O Railroad Museum will develop plans to incorporate "York" into its permanent exhibition "Roads to Rails" which interprets the birth and early development of railroading in the Western Hemisphere. Museum officials are working to have the locomotive transported from Chicago to Baltimore over the next thirty to sixty days.


For the record, the price was $121,000, including auction premium, according to the auctioneers' website.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:13 pm 

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Glad to see some of the stuff going to good homes.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:35 pm 

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That is a win/win thing for both the "York" replica and the B&O Museum.

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This is a positive from the auction. Is the replica an operational model?

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Eventually, interesting questions arise:

Where did a place that reportedly had to lay off a curator get the funds to pay for this acquisition? A generous benefactor? The sale of a certain other locomotive?

$121,000 for a replica (admittedly one historic in its own way by now, but still.....)? The MSI deserves to get money for its assets, sure, but who else drove up the bidding?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 12:01 am 

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Richard Glueck wrote:
This is a positive from the auction. Is the replica an operational model?


Yes, it is. Ran during the 1927 Fair of the Iron Horse, and at some other exhibitions, too.

More photos (which blow up rather nicely) and some other details (part of which went into the press release):

http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22793/lot/204/


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:01 am 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
Eventually, interesting questions arise:
Where did a place that reportedly had to lay off a curator get the funds to pay for this acquisition? A generous benefactor? The sale of a certain other locomotive?

Probably they had restricted funds which could fund an acquisition but could not be used for general operations (such as a curator's salary).


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I think it is ironic that the B&O donated the engine to the MSI, and now has to pay hard cash to get it back. This is the best argument for "permanent loan" instead of donation.

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softwerkslex wrote:
I think it is ironic that the B&O donated the engine to the MSI, and now has to pay hard cash to get it back. This is the best argument for "permanent loan" instead of donation.

The B&O Railroad Museum, though it may have been started by the railroad of that name in 1953, has nothing whatsoever to do presently with the railroad company, or its descendants, that donated said locomotive to the Museum of Science and Industry.

This is not to say that some legal beagle in CSX couldn't have noted the terms of a "permanent loan" and reclaimed the loco and given it to the B&O Museum had it been on such loan, but.......... not bloody likely.

Show me any museum management in rail preservation that plans for eighty or so years down the road. Our federal government isn't even that smart (see Social Security and Medicare).


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Do we know where the rest of the MSI toys went? I was there yesterday and see that all that is left is the Rocket replica.


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filmteknik -

One thing I never saw mentioned, was the operating demonstration of the valve gear off of C&EI 4-4-2 #222. Did you happen to notice if this is still in place?

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Why the liquidation of MSI equipment? Is there some grand plan that I'm not aware of that requires the space? Or are they just short on cash?


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The saga is outlined and explained here.

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38580&hilit=Msi

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Les, aside from the faux Rocket (moved a little to the middle of that wall), it's all gone, including the running gear and the PRR cab.


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The Running gear also came to the B&O. It is currently being set up in the North Car Shop.


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