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 Post subject: Re: B&O RR Museum Joins the Steampunk (and Beer) Train
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:19 am 

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More....... two round trips with St. Elizabeth's #4 that day........


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 Post subject: Re: B&O RR Museum Joins the Steampunk (and Beer) Train
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:40 am 

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Regrettably, I also just now discovered in my other photos possible evidence of a violation of Rule G by a (presumed) volunteer or staffer. That, I have to concede, is an issue I did not consider......


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 Post subject: Re: B&O RR Museum Joins the Steampunk (and Beer) Train
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:19 pm 

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There was NO violation of rule G that day or any other. There was an OFF DUTY shop volunteer who was visiting and brought his lunch and beer over to some of the staff areas to chat (a good idea? certainly not, but not a rule violation). He was not part of the operating crew for the day.


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 Post subject: Re: B&O RR Museum Joins the Steampunk (and Beer) Train
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 12:36 pm 

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Topic drift...
What is the history of the round end obs in the background?

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 Post subject: Re: B&O RR Museum Joins the Steampunk (and Beer) Train
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:45 pm 

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Location: Somewhere east of Prescott, AZ along the old Santa Fe "Prescott & Eastern"
Obs is ex-NYC, traded to MARC by a broker (I want to say Kasten Rail Car) for RDCs, handed off by MARC to B&O Museum on some kind of loan or gift, used as the HEP power car on occasion.

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There was an OFF DUTY shop volunteer who was visiting and brought his lunch and beer over to some of the staff areas to chat (a good idea? certainly not, but not a rule violation). He was not part of the operating crew for the day. Please check into facts before spreading falsehoods like this. It's a VERY serious accusation.


I recognize the seriousness of the accusation/observation, and will reserve the submission of photographic evidence to private, museum-only channels--but, no, what I witnessed did not fit that description at all. At the very least, it had all the appearances of on-duty staff drinking on moving equipment even if it wasn't (water in a beer bottle, off-duty person riding where he shouldn't, whatever).


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 Post subject: Re: B&O RR Museum Joins the Steampunk (and Beer) Train
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 1:55 pm 

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Is there a difference between "staff" meaning those who are on crew and simply a car attendant? Maybe who you saw doesn't fall under rule g.


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 Post subject: Re: B&O RR Museum Joins the Steampunk (and Beer) Train
PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2015 2:56 pm 

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The person in question was in a position/location where, at least by modern excursion practices and not 1950s railfanning standards, no one that wasn't "operating staff" should have been.

Further, even if we're only talking a "car host" on one of only two trips that day, I know of no "professional" railroad operation in the United States that would ever allow anyone in ANY kind of "crew" or "oversight" capacity to even appear to be imbibing even a so-called "no-alcohol beer" while on duty, lest it give an improper appearance.

When I brought a couple rail-themed beers to a railroad museum private charter picnic event which allowed members to sign up to operate the equipment, I was EXTENSIVELY grilled by the overseeing personnel who knew I had brought the beer before being allowed to sign up, even though I had consumed perhaps four ounces of one beer that I had shared. I could have emptied all three bottles I brought during the event and still been under DUI limits--but only one bottle had even been opened (and shared). Mind you, I'm not going to blame them for a "guilty until proven innocent" stance, but........


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