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 Post subject: Re: Passenger car on the road - Northern Illinois
PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2015 7:23 pm 
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Here are the full histories for the 2 passenger cars:

10 seat lunch counter 16 seat diner 16 seat lounge #4202, ex-22RM sleeper Flossmoor, nee-NYC #10426 Chippewa Bay (P-S, Lot #6790, Plan #4122, 1948). Sold to IC in 1959, rebuilt to #4202 in 1964, retired in 1971 and sold to a C.W. Taylor in Calvert City, KY, later resold (when??) to the restaurant in Lincoln.

36 seat lounge #3351 Capitol Street, ex-lounge-chair #3700 Fulton, nee-88 seat coach #2176 (Pullman, Lot #4406, Floorplan #6-B-90, 1916). Rebuilt to #3700 in 1947, rebuilt to #3351 in 1951 for the Panama Limited, retired and sold at an unknown date. Does anybody know what the seating arrangement/capacity was of this car as the #3700 Fulton, or what the original 4-digit Pullman Plan was? Was there another party who owned the #3351 before it was moved to Lincoln? Perhaps C.W. Taylor? Thanks in advance!

Sources:

1. "Streamliner Cars Volume One: Pullman Standard" by W. David Randall (RPC Publications, 1981)

2. Tom Madden's Pullman Project CCR database: http://pullmanproject.com/Database.htm

3. IC passenger car roster pages: http://icrr.net/passenger.htm

4. Terry Link's NYC passenger car roster pages: http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-PASS.htm

5. IC passenger car diagram folios of June 1952 and June 1961

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger car on the road - Northern Illinois
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 1:14 am 

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Rainier Rails wrote:
Does anybody know what the seating arrangement/capacity was of this car as the #3700 Fulton, or what the original 4-digit Pullman Plan was? Was there another party who owned the #3351 before it was moved to Lincoln? Perhaps C.W. Taylor?
The softcover book Monarchs of Mid-America published by Prototype Publications and copyrighted in 1973 by W. David Randall and Alan R. Lind has IC car diagrams and other information (photos, menus, consists. etc.).

IC #3700 (Monarchs of Mid-America page 127)
    Is listed as assigned to trains 101-102 the Louisville-Fulton connection to the City of New Orleans.
    Shown as having 14-seat lounge with 12 lounge chairs, 2-person corner settee, writing table; two restrooms and 32-seat coach section.
    Rebuilt in 1947 by the IC from car 2176 of the series 2168-2205. [Appears to have been an 88 seat coach listed as being Gen Drg. & Floor Plan A4999(IC number?)]

IC #3351 (Monarchs of Mid-America page 121)
    Assigned to Panama Limited (trains 5 & 6) between Jackson, Miss. to New Orleans.
    Shown as being same as 3700 except coach seats replaced with 22 individual lounge chairs.
    Remodeled from 3700 no date given. Drawing still calls it a "81' coach-lge" Drawing has revision dates 5-2-50 and 10-3-51

P.S. I think this was the first time this book has been off the shelf in 25+ years.

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger car on the road - Northern Illinois
PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 6:35 pm 
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Thanks, Brian, for the info on the #3700 Fulton!

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger car on the road - Northern Illinois
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> A guy on the board knows how to read ACI tags

I am interested in this - can the tags be read visually, or does he have a way to scan them?

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger car on the road - Northern Illinois
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ctjacks wrote:
> A guy on the board knows how to read ACI tags

I am interested in this - can the tags be read visually, or does he have a way to scan them?

Chris.


I would guess he just looked at it and could tell from experience, probably was a carman, they created them from a sheet with all the decals. As I recall they were strips about half an inch wide and about four inches long, each color/shape combination representing a letter or number. You could peel them off and rearrange them if you wished, which is part of the problem with them, they weren't very sturdy. Here is the post in which the guy explains how he knows: https://www.facebook.com/agw.railway/po ... 1842920179 The photo in question is the last one, posted by Roger Kujawa.


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 Post subject: Re: Passenger car on the road - Northern Illinois
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:12 pm 

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The tags can be read visually if you know what you're looking for--just like, say, reading Hebrew or Russian.

Most tags I have come across also had small numbers on each color bar corresponding with the number/letter in question. As with modern SKU barcodes, there's a "start" bar, the letters/numbers, and an "end" bar.

Somewhere I have buried away a key for ACI codes....... I'm sure someone has it online somewhere.......


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 Post subject: Re: Passenger car on the road - Northern Illinois
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Can anyone tell me who hauled the passenger car ? I have never seen a four axle road dollie used to move a rail car before.

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 Post subject: Re: Passenger car on the road - Northern Illinois
PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:13 am 

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rmne1887 wrote:
Can anyone tell me who hauled the passenger car ? I have never seen a four axle road dollie used to move a rail car before.

The cabooses are apparently owned by the crane company that lifted the coaches and cabooses onto the trucks, you might try calling them, (618)201-3552, they probably will know who the trucks belong to or may even own them themselves.


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 Post subject: Re: Passenger car on the road - Northern Illinois
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We used that trailer to move one car and will be using it again soon to move another one. If you're looking to move something drop me a PM.


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