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 Post subject: William R. McKeen, Jr.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:40 am 

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I don't know where else to share this, so I'll start here at RYPN.

I've been doing research (as close to primary as possible) about the men who were behind the locomotive designs of Union Pacific. Among them were William Riley McKeen, Jr.

http://utahrails.net/up/up-mpm-men.php#mckeen

McKeen started with UP in December 1898, and became head of the motive power department in 1902. He left UP in 1908 to start his McKeen Motor Car Co., leasing space from UP in their Omaha shop complex. He was a protege of E. H. Harriman.

McKeen had a connection that likely got him hired by Union Pacific. His uncle, Samuel McKeen was married to Ellen Burt, the sister of Horace G. Burt, who became UP president in January 1898.

The design of the McKeen car was for a mechanical transmission, and its early success in the 1908-1910 period got the attention of other builders, including GE, and they started competing with their electric transmission designs. World War I and the USRA diverted everyone's attention, and by the time the war was over, McKeen had built his last cars; two in 1916 and two in 1917, including the unique Southern Utah no. 100, a 300 hp, six-wheel truck design that was a failure on the road's grades in Utah.

After the war, the market for rail motor cars improved, with builders by the name of Brill and St. Louis taking the lead, and EMC coming to the market in 1924. McKeen's mechanical designs could not compete.There are stories that Union Pacific continued to support McKeen and his motor cars after Harriman's death in 1909 because Harriman's widow wished it, based on Harriman's own support of McKeen. That changed when Carl Gray became UP president in January 1920. In March 1920 Union Pacific bought out McKeen's interest in his McKeen Motor Car Co.

McKeen moved to Santa Barbara, California, showing up in the 1923 city directory. He died in 1946, still living at the same address, and is buried in Santa Barbara.

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Have you tried contacting UPHS?

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Photo by Will Whittaker, in the January 1979 issue of Pacific News.

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Pacific News, 1979 wrote:
Union Pacific McKeen car M-16 here prepares to depart Solomon, Kansas in October of
1948 for a trip over the railroad's Solomon Branch to Beloit, 57.4 miles north. The branch
line route was constructed in 1878 and 1879 by the Solomon Railroad Company, a Union
Pacific subsidiary, to tap the lower reaches of the Solomon River Valley. Train service for
the branch operated out of Salina, using the main line to the junction at Solomon.

The 1911-built McKeen motor car was converted to a gas-electric in December, 1926 and
fitted with a 225-horsepower Winton engine. The shopping replaced a standard 200-
horsepower McKeen engine that had been installed when the car was built. The conversion
also included the application of a General Electric generator, and a set of traction motors.

No intact McKeen cars are known to exist today, although two carbodies, ex-Virginia and
Truckee 22 in Carson City, Nevada and a former Southern Pacific car now at Martin, Utah
on the Utah Railway, can still be found in the west.


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 Post subject: Re: William R. McKeen, Jr.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 2:42 am 

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I recall being told (or read) that the late Donald Duke of Golden West Books had obtained a couple of file cabinets from Mr. McKeen, Jr. or his estate. Don's obituary stated that his "extensive railroad photography collection, book collection and ephemera have been donated to the Huntington Library in San Marino."

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 Post subject: Re: William R. McKeen, Jr.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:56 am 

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Thanks Brian. McKeen died in 1946, and his widow died in 1987, so it makes sense that Duke would be able to obtain the information, possibly through his connections with the Huntington Library.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 1:57 pm 

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For the record, the V&T 22 has been restored to operation since 1979.

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 Post subject: Re: William R. McKeen, Jr.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:05 pm 

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Don,

I found the Don Duke and McKeen reference. Don wrote in the acknowledgements of the book RDC: The Budd Rail Diesel Car by Donald Duke and Edmund Keilty (Golden West Books, 1990) the following:
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My interest in railcars goes back to my high school days when I found out William R. McKeen, Jr. was still alive and living in Santa Barbara. I visited him several times. On his death he left his personal files and illustrations to my custody.

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 Post subject: Re: William R. McKeen, Jr.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 7:33 pm 

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Back to the original post:
donstrack wrote:
I've been doing research (as close to primary as possible) about the men who were behind the locomotive designs of Union Pacific. Among them were William Riley McKeen, Jr.
My understanding is that after the UP bankruptcy in the early 1890s the engineering staff of the railroad was drastically reduced. Not much was done about locomotive design until after Harriman took control. Most of the "Associated Lines" locomotive designs had origins with the Southern Pacific staff.

But, I'm not all that familiar with locomotive improvements of the era.

McKeen seemed to be pushing a number of technologies forward. I am aware of these:
    During his tenure the first steel box cars on the UP appeared. The body of one of these was retrieved from Wyoming and is now at IRM. See UP Union Pacific Railroad 100000
    Gasoline powered rail cars.
    Steel passenger cars. The one that McKeen designed was one based upon the motor car design. This coach had rounded ends and a center entrance. According to a Railway Age write-up the car had each bolster and draftgear as a single steel casting.
    The Omaha shops also built a prototype RPO car in the "Harriman" style.

But the actual development of the "Harriman" style passenger cars seems to have started by the SP staff as an advancement of its already standard wooden car designs. Two evolving coach prototypes and its own RPO being constructed in Sacramento prior to the orders from Pullman.

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 Post subject: Re: William R. McKeen, Jr.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2015 8:55 pm 

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For the record, the V&T 22 has been restored to operation since 1979.


V&T 22 was delivered as a car body to the Museum in the 1990s and returned to operation in 2010 marking the car's 100th anniversary.

http://www.nsrm-friends.org/nsrm44.html

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The confusion is that V&T Inyo steam locomotive is also number22.

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 Post subject: Re: William R. McKeen, Jr.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:39 am 

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softwerkslex wrote:
The confusion is that V&T Inyo steam locomotive is also number22.


Steven -

No confusion. The 1979 date was the report (and photo) in Pacific News which stated (at THAT time) that the V&T McKeen car body #22 was still in existence in Carson City. It's subsequent restoration is one of the remarkable stories of railroad preservation.

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 Post subject: Re: William R. McKeen, Jr.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 2:53 pm 

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There are a couple of groups trying to restore other McKeen cars, one is trying to bring a
San Diego, Cuyamaca & Eastern Railway McKeen back from Alaska and restore it, the other is trying to restore Southern Utah #100. I believe the first two of the following Facebook pages are the same guy:
https://www.facebook.com/McKeenMotorCar
https://www.facebook.com/Restoration-of ... 580885228/
https://www.facebook.com/Restoration-of ... 388550102/


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 Post subject: Re: William R. McKeen, Jr.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:52 pm 

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PMC wrote:
There are a couple of groups trying to restore other McKeen cars, one is trying to bring a San Diego, Cuyamaca & Eastern Railway McKeen back from Alaska and restore it...
https://www.facebook.com/Restoration-of ... 580885228/

You can read about it on this thread:
RYPN: Restoration of the S.D.C.&E.Rwy. McKeen Car "Cuyamaca" #1
(Bear in mind, the author was 16 years old, which is a busy time in one's life, and plans can change.)


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 Post subject: Re: William R. McKeen, Jr.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:24 pm 

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rock island lines wrote:
PMC wrote:
There are a couple of groups trying to restore other McKeen cars, one is trying to bring a San Diego, Cuyamaca & Eastern Railway McKeen back from Alaska and restore it...
https://www.facebook.com/Restoration-of ... 580885228/

You can read about it on this thread:
RYPN: Restoration of the S.D.C.&E.Rwy. McKeen Car "Cuyamaca" #1
(Bear in mind, the author was 16 years old, which is a busy time in one's life, and plans can change.)


16? Ah, that explains a lot, though he doesn't write like a 16yo. I see that all three projects/ Facebook pages are that same guy, and two of the pages haven't seen any activity in almost a year. One thing I know from being 16: girls aren't impressed by your interest in trains, and that starts to matter more and more.


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PMC wrote:
rock island lines wrote:
PMC wrote:
There are a couple of groups trying to restore other McKeen cars, one is trying to bring a San Diego, Cuyamaca & Eastern Railway McKeen back from Alaska and restore it...
https://www.facebook.com/Restoration-of ... 580885228/

You can read about it on this thread:
RYPN: Restoration of the S.D.C.&E.Rwy. McKeen Car "Cuyamaca" #1
(Bear in mind, the author was 16 years old, which is a busy time in one's life, and plans can change.)


16? Ah, that explains a lot, though he doesn't write like a 16yo. I see that all three projects/ Facebook pages are that same guy, and two of the pages haven't seen any activity in almost a year. One thing I know from being 16: girls aren't impressed by your interest in trains, and that starts to matter more and more.
Amen to that. I'm younger than him and people just aren't interested anymore.

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