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 Post subject: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotives
PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 5:00 pm 

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Would anyone here have any information on these Critters / Locomotives ?

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bendix0.jpg

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http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cfp98.jpg

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Mr. Starr


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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Sat Apr 23, 2016 7:47 pm 

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Here are a few bits.

Lima C/N 3163 02-21 50 tons 2 truck
Pacific Mills, Ltd. #3 Dean Channel, BC
Mayo Lbr. Co. (D) Paldi, BC
Export Log. Co. #3 Sahtam, BC
Bloedel, Stewart & Welch Co., Ltd. #3 Great Central, BC
Great Central Sawmills #3 (leased) Great Central, BC 1930’s
Bloedel, Stewart & Welch Co., Ltd. #3 Great Central, BC
Deep Bay Log. Co. #2 Fanny Bay, BC 1939
Canadian Forest Products, Ltd. #98 Englewood, BC 1941
Converted to Diesel with 400 HP Cummins engine by Tyee Machinery Co. of Vancouver, BC 1951
Renumbered to 251 1957
Scrapped 1973

Skagit Steel & Iron Works Model ZM-10 C/N ZM-10A1 07-15-51 Waukesha* 30 tons B-B
West Tacoma News Print Co. Steilcoom, WA
Skagit Steel & Iron Works Sedro Woolley, WA plant switcher (here 11-53)
Skagit Division of Bendix-LTV “ 1969
Skagit Corp. Sedro Woolley, WA
Delta Corp. “
* Ford V-8 installed later still stored at abandoned plant site 2005
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiv ... x?id=57821

Now owned by the Sedro Woolley Museum.


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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:40 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:54 pm 

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Does anyone know how they connected the Shay driveline to the diesel powerplant? The photo doesn't show much detail.

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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:24 pm 

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They used a tourch converter off of the engine. The crankshaft was replaced with a streight shaft that had a chain sprocket. Roller chain was used between the tc and the drive line.


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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:16 pm 

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I'd bet money that the 5 bell airhorn atop the machine came from Bob Swanson of the Island. These later were marketed as Airchime, IIRC.

The late Elwood White had some nice movies of CFP including the diesel Shay. I was able to show them at Winterail in Stockton, CA around 2013 or so.


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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:28 pm 

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So, the drive was diesel directly to torque convertor (no electric motor)--kind of like the RDC drive train. That would have required some sort of transmission/gearbox for reverse. The body looks like it was taken from some sort of industrial locomotive. A one-of-a-kind. I imagine it could take similar grades that a Shay could take.

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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:09 pm 

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I wonder how much else of the donor shay was reused for CFP 98. The cab door looks rather "old-timey."

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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:13 pm 

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Here are a better shot of the Shay and one of Canfor's converted 0-4-0:
http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/14263

The also converted a 2 truck Climax.

C/N 1505 08-20 45 tons 2 truck
Beaver Cove Lbr. & Pulp Co. #1 Beaver Cove, BC
Canadian Forest Products #7 (1st) Englewood, BC 1926
Converted to Diesel engine in 1952 by CFP
Renumbered to 252 1957
Scrapped 1973


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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:40 pm 

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Now I'm not one to usual revive old threads, but the Skagit engine has me VERY curious. Was that built in house like the information seems to suggest? A friend I work with forwarded me pictures of the engine, and frankly I know next to nothing about that creature. Is there any sources of information regarding that locomotive floating around? My curiosity is piqued and I'd love to know more.

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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:20 am 

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Never seen these locomotives before. Very interesting. Anyone know what the fate of this one was?


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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:31 am 

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Not only Shays converted to diesel.
There is at least one Heisler. See the story and pictures here:

http://www.mccloudriverrailroad.com/Sub ... /Samoa.htm

The engine survived at Samoa, CA!



The Milwaukee Road Diesel above was build new by Baldwin in 1929:
https://rrmuseumpa.andornot.com/media/I ... ermark=wmk


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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:17 am 

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To the best of my knoledge there were 4 Climax locos, 4 Heislers and 6 Shays converted to internal combustion. There are one Climax and Heisler and 2 Shays known to exist.


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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:23 am 

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As to the Skagit locomotive I did not suggest that it was built by them but stated it. It is the prototype of their ZM line.

ZM-10 ZM-10A1 07-15-51 Waukesha* 30 tons B-B
West Tacoma News Print Co. Steilcoom, WA
Skagit Steel & Iron Works Sedro Woolley, WA plant switcher (here 11-53)
Skagit Division of Bendix-LTV “ 1969
Skagit Corp. Sedro Woolley, WA
Delta Corp. “
Sedro Woolley Museum
* Ford V-8 installed later still stored at abandoned plant site 2018
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bendix0.jpg
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/sksxZM12.jpg
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/archiv ... x?id=57821
ZM-15 ZM-15A1 06-25-56 25 tons B-B 42” gauge Caterpillar
Geveke & Co. (for cement plant near Jakarta Indonesia) (here 1985)
PT Semen Gresik (here 2008) (The cement plant was closed at that time.)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sugarcane ... 561889290/
ZM-18 ZM-18A1 to ZM-18A30 11-19-54 25 tons B-B 30” gauge
Waukesha WAK8 272 HP Alcohol fuel
Taiwan Sugar Corp. Kao-Shiung Taiwan
ZM-16 ZM-16A1 to ZM-16A4 02-03-60 0-6-0 30” gauge Waukesha 145GZ3
Re-powered with 200 HP Allis-Chalmers diesel engines in 1979
Taiwan Sugar Corp. #951-954 Kao-Shiung Taiwan
via Golden Gate Enterprises (D)
(As of 10-05-05 #951, 952 & 954 at Wu-Shu-Lin and #953 at Nan-Jing)
(#954 was put into tourist train service in 2010.)
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categ ... co-952.JPG
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Categ ... co-951.JPG

If there is anything else you want to know I am glad to help.


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 Post subject: Re: CFP Shay 50 ton class B #98 and Odd looking locomotiv
PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 10:10 am 

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The Milwaukee Road diesel referenced above was not built by Baldwin, but by Whitcomb. BLW did market Whitcomb locomotives, beginning in the 1930s or so, and eventually took over Whitcomb as a subsidiary, but long after the 1929 builder's date for that MILW unit.


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