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 Post subject: Identify this Control Panel?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 7:38 am 

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Folks-

Can you guys help identify what locomotive this panel belongs to? I thought GE 80-ton, but this panel does not match the panel shown in the US Army manual for 80-ton locomotives.

Once identified, I'd like to get the correct manual ;)

Thanks!


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:41 am 

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45- or 50-ton GE.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 8:53 am 

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I will second that. Except for the 3 small amp gauges, it looks exactly like our 1957 50ton GE.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:19 am 

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It's definitely from a GE, but larger than a 45 or 50 tonner - and based upon the weight when it was moved, I think it's an 80-tonner, but not the panel I'd have expected. Here's a pic of the loco...


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:22 am 

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It looks like the throttle and reverse handle are set up for MU operation, although I can't tell from the picture of the whole unit. I say this because the 44Ts and others had a quadrant with notches and a latch on the throttle handle.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:11 am 

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65Tonner

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 Post subject: Re: Identify this Control Panel?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:23 am 

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That locomotive is a GE 80 ton built around 1951.

This locomotive was once owned by Morris Leasing which owned the Michigan Southern railroad before it the railroad was sold to Pioneer Rail Corp.

I take care of a locomotive just like that for a customer.

The locomotive was last for sale on Ozark Mountain and was in a scrap yard in South Bend, Indiana.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:10 am 

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A GE expert I greatly respect says this is the panel of an 80 tonner in the 65 ton carbody. The giveaway is the little controller in the lower right of the photo which operates the hood top vent of that model. Early 1950s is the correct time period.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:19 am 

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Here's another picture of the panel and stand...


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 Post subject: Re: Identify this Control Panel?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:24 am 

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And according to figure 2-2 here,

http://militarynewbie.com/wp-content/up ... 224-12.pdf

this is not the panel from an 80-tonner, if the manual can be believed. Hence all of my confusion.


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 Post subject: Re: Identify this Control Panel?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:45 am 

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mruanejr wrote:
And according to figure 2-2 here,

http://militarynewbie.com/wp-content/up ... 224-12.pdf

this is not the panel from an 80-tonner, if the manual can be believed. Hence all of my confusion.


Many of the military 80 tonners were rebuilt in the 1980's. The control stand shown in your military manual is for a rebuilt unit with an updated panel. (Note the date on your manual: May, 1987.) It looks like your locomotive was never rebuilt or modified.

We have a rebuilt military 80 tonner that looks much like yours on the outside. Our control stand is identical to the one in the manual. Our locomotive was rebuilt in 1989.

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http://www.rgvrrm.org/about/railroad/rgv1654/index.htm

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:52 am 

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I am jealous of the front window on that unit. Looks like it flips open like my boat. That would be nice on our 50 ton.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:31 pm 

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I stand corrected, the throttle quadrant shows up much better in the second cab photo.


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 Post subject: Re: Identify this Control Panel?
PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 12:38 pm 

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Yeah a opening window would be handy in our 44 tonner as well of coaurse I just wish we had that newer style control panel not the POS that was in the earlier models that was mounted below the window where it is always in the way and you can't reach or see the switches very well.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:29 pm 

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If you go do a Google search for Morris Leasing you will find this locomotive.

It was originally built for the U.S.Army as a GE 80 ton locomotive in 1953.

It is one of many that were built for the Army.

Some were rebuilt and upgraded, this one was not.

I maintain one just like this with Cummins engines and the GE 747 traction motors and gearboxes under it.

The one I maintain also has extra ballast added by someone under the cab floor and weighs close to 90 tons as we have had it on a scale. We hauled the carbody on a special semi and stopped at a truck stop and weighed the semi with just the body and ended up 23,000 pounds over our permitted weight.


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