Giving some history of the tenders that are used for the steam program, looking at the list that is available on UtahRails.com. Steve Lee sent an email and according to him six water tenders were found in LA sitting on a siding that wasn't even connected on either side to the main line. Two of the tenders would be used with the steam program and the two CSA tenders being placed in Ogden before being moved to Cheyanne. Of those six tenders, one was scrapped, and another was placed with the turbine in Ogden.

So the question still remains were these tenders scrapped or not? Is there anyone around the Cheyenne area that could look. I could ask Bob Kreiger on TO I guess.

As of 10 days ago they had not been scrapped, as they were clearly visible from the US 85 bridge over the yard.

The manager has said publicly that he considers all 4 tenders to be scrap candidates.
That would be the 2 CSA's and the 2 FEF-1's that have been in use completely rebuilt.

You have got to be kidding me. He wants to scrap UPP 809 and 814?

Yes.

Ed really is over his head I guess. He wasn't joking around when he said he wanted the steam shop to look like a steam shop by removing the false ceiling. Guess he wants the engine to operate like they did in the 40's and 50's without water canteens. Except he'll regret that when he has to stop 4014 every 60 miles to take on water for her thirsty appetite.

Stopping every 60 miles is with a full consist running the engine hard in the mountains. Even with 4014 hauling every passenger car UP owns wont tax it as hard as its consists in the 'days of old'. So realistically 4014 fuel mileage is more like 100 gallons per mile instead of 250. Lol

If he doesn't want to use them, OK, fine, let him give that a try. It would make for great photos, especially if he also gets rid of the diesels.

But to scrap them? That's insane. They're historic artifacts in their own right. You mean to tell me he can't find someplace to park 4 cars? Give me a break! What possible justification could he have?

Haha where should I start? So many reasons. But I'm not gonna say anything because I don't want this to turn into a giant popcorn festival like over on trainorders when any thread is started about UP steam program.

I am going to play the devils fiddle and state that just because a object is historic doesn't mean it's WORTH saving. Think Titanic. Its so far gone, yet so very historic. Saving it would result in not only train loads of money being spent, but in the end there would be almost no original fabric left. Any tenders left not already preserved almost 60 years after the end of UP steam will have some major tin worm and likely need new canteens and fuel bins. Not everything CAN or SHOULD be saved.

Having said that the hard parts on the tenders are valuable rare spares now that UP has 3 steamers on their roster with the centipede tenders. I am glad UP is starting to narrow down its focus on its program. Its a good sign when car collectors, railway collectors, or postage stamp collectors narrow down their collection. UP wants to start focusing on its historic equipment and get a game plan made to deaquisition, restore, or scrap items deemed as not fitting to the program.

Think of that lonely F7, or even #5511. A single as built F7 has little use except as the diesel tie in on a steam consist and would actually look period correct! Ol number 5511 we know why it was saved, but now you scratch your head when thinking about it. Saved to spend all eternity in obscurity to the 3 giant superstars of UPs fleet? Indeed that's what happened. 5511 is saved, but it's not teaching anything to anyone because it's the forgotten redheaded step child of the program. If UP has a plan for a evolution museum showing UP motive power from the attractive 4-4-0 to the legendary 4-12-2 and 4-6-6-4, and giant superstar 4-8-8-4 to the newest power on UP. UP has a very unique position to do this. The evolution of locomotives on UP is a very unique one and only a UP story. There is also survivors of many of these rare locomotives. The current steam program can be the heart of the said museum.

In any case overstock tenders aren't needed, and likely are far gone in condition to justify a rebuild. The same thing happens to vintage cars. Save what can be saved, and scrap the rest. Save the time and money for a better candidate for restoration.

My 2 cents.

They are NOT centipede tenders.......they are Turbine tenders

Mike

Why don't you go do a little research and find out what we're talking about and exactly what condition they're in? Then you can make comments that are applicable to the topic at hand, instead of general ramblings that are meaningless.

I'll start you off with an easy one. Here's the 809, in all it's rusty sitting at the bottom of the ocean glory... Photo from 2016.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=4574497

It is quite likely that the only "restoration" it needs right now is COT&S, if even that.