Oldest Internal Combustion Loco?

LVRR2095 · **Posted:** Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:00 pm

I think 1909 beats 1916....

M.M.C.C.H.S. · **Posted:** Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:42 am

The McKeen Car "Cuyamaca" was built in March of 1908, and was internal combustion from the start. A 200HP, 5650 Cubic Inch, 350RPM, 3000Ft/Lb, straight 6, double block stanchion engine...That no longer exists... but the car does exist, if that counts for anything.

tom moungovan · **Posted:** Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:48 am

Anyone know the status of the ex- Foley Bros 1929 Ingersol-Rand 108T machine at Portola, CA? Still at the museum? Don't think that I missed this on previous posts.

Thanks for any help.

atsfm177 · **Posted:** Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:14 am

atsfm177 wrote:

The ATSF M.177 at Travel Town is right in there. It is a Doodlebug, but was actually used as a switch engine near the end of it's life. It was built in 1929, and still has its original Winton gasoline(distiallate) engine. The Motorcar is still undergoing restoration, but the Winton runs, the main generator has been installed, and the exciter is ready to go in. Though all the copper in the generators is new, and the double dual distributors are from a Nash now, it is about as close to original as you can come.

Greg

Update on the M.177: I'm told I am wrong, and it is actually from 1928. As before the original gasoline engine runs, the generator produces power which power radiator fans.

Bryan is still troubleshooting the wiring to the traction motors and the motors themselves, but it is VERY close to operating on its own power. And his paint job looks spectacular.

Greg

Brian Norden · **Posted:** Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:17 pm

tom moungovan wrote:

Anyone know the status of the ex- Foley Bros 1929 Ingersol-Rand 108T machine at Portola, CA? Still at the museum? Don't think that I missed this on previous posts.

The Foley Bros Construction #110-1 is now part of the collection of California State RR Museum. A railroad collection list on the CSRM website says this transfer was part of "gift/trade from Feather River Rail Society 9/2011."

The Portola museum received a former WP California Zephyr dining car in this trade. See this Interchange post: Calif. State RR Museum -- happenings

softwerkslex · **Posted:** Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:40 pm

Here in Denmark our oldest is 1921, and operable. It is at the Maribo Jernbanemuseum, which is really beautiful. It terminates on the beach with a beautiful hotel and restaurant, giving your family something to do while you poke around on the rails.

Lollandsbanen M1
6 cylinder diesel
Diesel-Elektriska Vagn-Aktiebolaget 1921 (later ASEA)

tom moungovan · **Posted:** Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:12 pm

Brian Norden wrote:

tom moungovan wrote:

Anyone know the status of the ex- Foley Bros 1929 Ingersol-Rand 108T machine at Portola, CA? Still at the museum? Don't think that I missed this on previous posts.

The Foley Bros Construction #110-1 is now part of the collection of California State RR Museum. A railroad collection list on the CSRM website says this transfer was part of "gift/trade from Feather River Rail Society 9/2011."

The Portola museum received a former WP California Zephyr dining car in this trade. See this Interchange post: Calif. State RR Museum -- happenings

Brian, thank you for getting me up to date. Although I still receive their newsletter, I find now that being away from the West Coast is a detriment to staying on top of events in that part of the country.

10stewi · **Posted:** Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:33 pm

The diesel locomotive at Maribo, Denmark is currently the worlds oldest operating diesel.

Brian Norden · **Posted:** Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:27 pm

Looking over this message thread it does not appear that anyone has mentioned the former Dan Patch Lines #100.

It started out as a gas-electric freight motor in 1913, then resold and converted to straight electric and then later converted again -- to a diesel-electric. It has been in the collection of the Minnesota Transportation Museum since 1967.

There is a Wikipedia page for the locomotive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_57-ton_gas-electric_boxcab

P.S. I had some difficulty with the MTM website. There may be some broken links or poor design on the normal front page. The url:http://www.transportationmuseum.org does not complete loading; but the http://www.transportationmuseum.org/about does load.

Ed Walters · **Posted:** Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:16 pm

How about 1903?
http://electricautocar.co.uk
There is a surviving North Eastern Railway Petrol Electric car at the Embsay Steam Railway in the UK. It's really only the body that survives, but it is being restored to run with a new under frame and a Diesel engine.

J3a-614 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 20, 2017 11:53 am

This isn't in existence unless it's in a barn somewhere, but it turned up on the Facebook page All Things Pennsylvania Railroad except Steam (Public Group), and it's too interesting not to share here.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... ater&ifg=1

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5A4FE887

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... ater&ifg=1

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=5A5F932E

According to Gregory D. Pawelski, who posted this at the Facebook site, it's. . .

Quote:

MacPherson gasoline motor baggage car used on the Pennsylvania Railroad on March 28, 1914. (Pennsylvania Railroad Photo)

Mr. Pawelski said he didn't know anything about this machine, other than finding these photos at the Hagley Museum website.