From what I gathered from the livestream, was that the axles will need very little if any machining; however I take that with a grain of salt. I once asked you about if something like this conversion could be done to the 2100, and I think you said not without modifying the frame. Well in this case supposedly the frame will be untouched, so something has to change. Maybe Kelly Anderson has an idea of how something like this would work.

Well, it looks like we all might learn something new here, eh?

Rob Gardner

hullmat991, would you have an end view of the axle/bearing assembly that shows how the bearing is situated in the axle box?

Thanks,

Nyle

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Thank you, Kelly, for injecting some well-informed and needed commentary on this proposal.

It's a steam locomotive, not an UMLER-interchange freight car. WHY does it need roller bearing driving axles?

Too much good and proper work has already been discarded over the years 1361 has been "under restoration". Why do it again?

Howard P.

Perhaps Brother Levin the Younger has run the numbers for the lifecycle costs...
GME

I'm definitely a novice on steam restoration knowledge, but I am scratching my head on this proposal. My understanding, based on an independent inspection by someone who knows what he is talking about and reported back here is that a lot (if not a majority) of the work necessary to get the engine operational has already been done, that the work was not botched, and that the problem with the remaining repairs (the crown sheet) is that the group who started the restoration burned a lot of their good will and are now finding it very difficult to gain it back for fundraising. I recall the conclusion that if the remaining work were turned over to a steam shop with credibility (e.g., a person from such a shop commented above) it would come with such enormous credibility that both fundraising and finishing the job would occur quickly. Does it make sense starting over essentially from scratch?

Edit: "engine" not "engage" I need new bifocals.

Perhaps a proposal from a Pennsylvania workshop of undeniable repute? If we only knew of such an operation........

Yep, in a perfect world there would be such a place nearby. We can only dream...

I haven't seen any mention of a four-letter word that has only three letters: PTC. If this engine is to operate anywhere but on a regional or shortline, it will have to have PTC, the lack of which may spell the premature retirement of the PRR E-8s.

I mentioned this to one of my associates, who suggested that the PTC gear might be able to be fitted into a baggage or tool car. I was involved with a freight operator that ran over NJ Transit some years ago, and I made the suggestion that equipping one unit in a consist with cab signal, and wiring a display to the other units, might save some money.

I was told that the requirement was that the cab signal equipment had to be in the lead unit, with the pick-up bar ahead of the lead axle in a consist. Logic says that a baggage car equipped with PTC wouldn't be legal, either.

Just food for thought-

Kelly,

Thank you for weighing in. I think most everyone agrees that with so much work on the running gear already done, why throw it away for something of marginal value but such high cost? However, by Bennett's own words, they are very early on in this process and I would fully expect some things to change as they assemble the team and start looking at the critical details of the project.

IMO, the best way to show this project is serious and convince some of the deeper pockets to get involved is to simply reassemble as much of the running gear as possible, especially if so much of it is simply waiting for reassembly, no?

Rob Gardner

There have been steam locomotives with tenders and cab signals that were designed to used in both directions. When running in reverse, the pickup bar was ahead of the leading axle on the tender. No matter where the cab signal equipment was mounted, in one direction it would not be on the lead unit. Jumper cables took care of the problem.

sp! ;-)




Due to heating/cooling intervals not adequate to that sort of boiler steel. After the learning curve had been taken by the crews, the boiler works as it should.



Yes, there have been some basic dimensions taken wrongly and so it didn't fit. The accusations about whose fault it was were flying to and fro for a long time.

If you wanted to bring Strasburg into play, it's fair and I wonder why the new group didn't consider Strasburg first, as you have an excellent reputation. Yet if you just mention those two boilers to put Meiningen in a bad light, it is also essential to know that Germany has far more operable steam locomotives than the USA - some in daily service - many of them being overhauled in Meiningen. Meiningen also new-built some steam locomotives as well as, of course, dozens of new boilers for the german and international market.



I have no idea about the metallurgical state of the existing boiler. Probably this might be the reason for the consideration of a new-build.

Do I understand it right, the group wants to finance an overhaul of a locomotive it does not own and has no right to decide upon?

Mike

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I'm very aware of steam running in reverse, with the pickup bar under the tender or water space on a tank engine. Some of the old CNJ commuter power comes to mind. But would this mean that the baggage or tool car has to be a permanent part of the consist and shoved ahead of the engine on a back-up move?

I thought I had come with a cost-effective solution to the cab signal issue years ago, but either NJT or the FRA said NO! I forget which, long time ago-

Just how much space does PTC take up? Could the electronics go under the tender, perhaps in an enclosure that copies the shape of the water scoop? And does it have to provide 'power knock-down', closing the throttle and centering the power reverse? Air is air, and should be pretty simple, in comparison.

Just questions that should be thought about, to make 1361 more usable over more routes. Why go to the effort and expense of this restoration if the locomotive is restricted to a limited number of places in which it can operate?