PRR GG-1 to be booted from Harrisburg Station?

J3a-614 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:54 pm

This turned up on Facebook, so I don't know if it's confirmed or not. . .sadly, in either case, it's only too believable in our current environment.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... ater&ifg=1

wilkinsd · **Posted:** Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:38 pm

Until we hear something from the NRHS Chapter who actually owns the locomotive, why worry or give credence to such stories?

By posting this "story" and stating "it's only too believable in our current environment," you become the poster child for what's called "Confirmation Bias."

Ed Kapuscinski · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:31 am

Reading the comments...
1. Never read the comments.
2. People are dumb!

wilkinsd · **Posted:** Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:03 pm

Ed Kapuscinski wrote:

Reading the comments...
1. Never read the comments.
2. People are dumb!

I only read the comments to see how many variations of misspelling "Amtrak" I could count.

Heavenrich · **Joined:** Mon Aug 23, 2004 11:07 am **Posts:** 630

J3a-614 wrote:

This turned up on Facebook, so I don't know if it's confirmed or not. . .sadly, in either case, it's only too believable in our current environment.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... ater&ifg=1

The information in the facebook page cited above is inconsistent with the caption of a photo showing the GG1 being washed on the NRHS facebook page;

"June 22 2018: SHE'S A CLEAN(ER) MACHINE. T'was a good day to give the old gal a bath! With the help and cooperation of Amtrak's electrical traction department out of Lancaster, we were able to fully wash and partially wax/buff our 4859 and spruce up the PRR cabin car. 8 Chapter members were there to do the honors on this occasion."

Bob H

J3a-614 · **Posted:** Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:38 am

Heavenrich wrote:

The information in the facebook page cited above is inconsistent with the caption of a photo showing the GG1 being washed on the NRHS facebook page;

"June 22 2018: SHE'S A CLEAN(ER) MACHINE. T'was a good day to give the old gal a bath! With the help and cooperation of Amtrak's electrical traction department out of Lancaster, we were able to fully wash and partially wax/buff our 4859 and spruce up the PRR cabin car. 8 Chapter members were there to do the honors on this occasion."

Bob H

Thank you for finding that. With so much bad news or cliffhangers lately, it's nice to be proven wrong!

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Fri Jul 06, 2018 12:26 pm

Courtesy XKCD.com

J3a-614 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:58 pm

Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:

" Citation needed" Courtesy XKCD.com

Looks like we have it, thankfully not behind the paywall.

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/20 ... ome-of-gg1

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:19 pm

J3a-614 wrote:

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2018/07/16-amtrak-historical-society-to-negotiate-on-future-home-of-gg1

Let's look closely at what was actually said there:

Quote:

Amtrak is planning upgrades to its Harrisburg station and needs the Harrisburg Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society to cooperate in finding a temporary and then new permanent home for Pennsy GG1 No. 4859 and a Pennsy N6B cabin car, or caboose.

Now, let's look at what was NOT said:

Quote:

AMTRAK IS trying to force the removal of GG-1 #4859 from the Harrisburg station

Quote:

they told the Harrisburg Chapter NRHS officer that the Chapter needs to get their "junk" out of the station

Ed Kapuscinski · **Posted:** Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:03 pm

Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:

J3a-614 wrote:

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2018/07/16-amtrak-historical-society-to-negotiate-on-future-home-of-gg1

Let's look closely at what was actually said there:

Quote:

Amtrak is planning upgrades to its Harrisburg station and needs the Harrisburg Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society to cooperate in finding a temporary and then new permanent home for Pennsy GG1 No. 4859 and a Pennsy N6B cabin car, or caboose.

Now, let's look at what was NOT said:

Quote:

AMTRAK IS trying to force the removal of GG-1 #4859 from the Harrisburg station

Quote:

they told the Harrisburg Chapter NRHS officer that the Chapter needs to get their "junk" out of the station

And this is nothing new, they did this before and it all worked out just fine.

Thomas Cornillie · **Joined:** Sun Apr 29, 2007 7:19 pm **Posts:** 272

If 4859 has to be moved from HAR, for at least some period of time, might it be advantageous to bring it temporarily to create a GG1 focused version of "The Great Gathering?" The Great Gathering was an event held at the National Railway Museum ( part of the British Science Museum Group) that reunited the surviving class A4 locomotives. A breif summary of the impacts on museum visitation and corporate partnerships may be found here: https://artsandbusiness.bitc.org.uk/awards-ab/35th-awards/hornby-and-national-railway-museum

Would such an event centered at Strasburg offer enough interest among enthusiasts in terms of creating staged photo events to generate revenue that would benefit both RMPA and the NRHS chapter? Would the event be significant enough to attract sponsorship from one or more model manufacturers?

Ed Kapuscinski · **Posted:** Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:14 pm

Thomas Cornillie wrote:

If 4859 has to be moved from HAR, for at least some period of time, might it be advantageous to bring it temporarily to create a GG1 focused version of "The Great Gathering?" The Great Gathering was an event held at the National Railway Museum ( part of the British Science Museum Group) that reunited the surviving class A4 locomotives. A breif summary of the impacts on museum visitation and corporate partnerships may be found here: https://artsandbusiness.bitc.org.uk/awards-ab/35th-awards/hornby-and-national-railway-museum

Would such an event centered at Strasburg offer enough interest among enthusiasts in terms of creating staged photo events to generate revenue that would benefit both RMPA and the NRHS chapter? Would the event be significant enough to attract sponsorship from one or more model manufacturers?

Moving a GG1 these days is no small feat. They basically can't roll over the general system (for various reasons, both real and contrived), which makes such a thing very expensive.

It's been done before though, but generally for easier to transport items (like the Streamliners event at Spencer a few years ago).

NS 3322 · **Posted:** Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:22 pm

I'd rather see Henry Ford get their GG1 delivered. Is that thing still in New York?!!
It must be getting close to 10 years now!

Richard Glueck · **Posted:** Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:56 pm

NS 3322 wrote:

I'd rather see Henry Ford get their GG1 delivered. Is that thing still in New York?!!
It must be getting close to 10 years now!

I've visited it. It's getting close to fragments.

Rick Rowlands · **Posted:** Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:12 pm

Ed Kapuscinski wrote:

Moving a GG1 these days is no small feat. They basically can't roll over the general system (for various reasons, both real and contrived), which makes such a thing very expensive.

It's been done before though, but generally for easier to transport items (like the Streamliners event at Spencer a few years ago).

Yes, but such an event could be part of the overall relocation project and since it would travel over Amtrak's trackage to the SRR, I don't see why it couldn't be done if there is sufficient will.