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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:14 pm 

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Thank you, Eric.

robertmacdowell wrote:
It's more a case that the statute is deeply flawed, and fails to contemplate a commercial eviction of this type.


The reason the statute fails to contemplate a commercial eviction is it is written specifically for residential evictions. Residential tenants have additional protections granted by this statute on the theory that they are less able to defend themselves from a predatory landlord. Corporations are deemed to be smarter than that, and have more resources, whether that be the case or not.

The real issue the court is addressing is the landlord has been deprived of the use of his property without due compensation for over a year, with no end in sight. There is now an end point, and it is July 12th. If the items still on the property are really irreplaceable historical artifacts, then the museum should have acted as such to protect them. They made no effort to do so, and the court can only assume that it really is only junk after all. Sad, but this is where the situation stands now.

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:51 pm 

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Dennis Storzek wrote:
There is now an end point, and it is July 12th. If the items still on the property are really irreplaceable historical artifacts, then the museum should have acted as such to protect them. They made no effort to do so, and the court can only assume that it really is only junk after all. Sad, but this is where the situation stands now.

I know there have been complaints in this thread about the Lionel Hutz Attorney at Law- style legal musings ("not only is the defendant guilty, he is innocent of being not guilty" RIP Phil Hartman) but would it be possible to file something akin to a "friend of the court" brief with the judge, to make him aware that some of this stuff is irreplaceable?


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
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Because it doesn't matter to the court, who can only do what the law allows them to do. Think about Dick Jensen...… the only option available to the court was scrapping, so they had to order it.

Flawed, Bob? Hell yes it's flawed, but all legislation is flawed depending on circumstances - nothing can be created that fits all sizes and situations equally well. Flawed isn't because we don't like this particular result. Honestly, I understand the individual losses with some sympathy but am so damn tired of watching the lemmings crowding towards the cliff despite all the signs pointing the other way to feel bad about it in general. This result was worked for by the people at the museum - those in management positions and those who let them do their thing without stopping them.

Unless you have cash to pay for loading and shipping in hand, this war is over, so you might as well stop fighting this one and get to work on making the changes you need to make to avoid your being the battleground for the next one.

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:45 pm 

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Thank you for explaining that Eric. I have edited my earlier statements.

This is how forums are supposed to work. Someone argues intelligently one way and supports their claims, someone else argues another way, brings more info and supports their claims, advancing their argument further, It is not suppposed to be. "Someone argues intelligently one way and supports their claims, someone else slaps a credential down, declares himself right by credential, calls the first guy an idiot and tells them to shut up, repeatedly for days". That person is treating common forum discussion like some sort of attack against their credential, which it simply is not. There is not so much wrong with a wrong comment that can't be fixed by a plain and kind explanation. That is the currency of the forum, in fact.

P.S. I can understand it being frustrating to watch a wrong view continue, but a polite correction will nip that in the bud. It's easy, just do as you did, "here's something interesting you should read".

For instance if you slap in a 75A subpanel with #6Cu, I won't scold you, I'll show you how to derive correct ampacity from 310.15b16 and why you can't use 310.15b7. I'll also suggest using #2Al and if necessary disabuse you of the aluminum myth, so you can save some coin.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:08 pm 

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Trains Newswire says the fireless is going to Hesston.

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2018/07/05-emergency-rescue-underway-at-indiana-transportation-museum

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:47 pm 

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robertmacdowell wrote:
It is not suppposed to be. "Someone argues intelligently one way and supports their claims, someone else slaps a credential down, declares himself right by credential, calls the first guy an idiot and tells them to shut up, repeatedly for days". That person is treating common forum discussion like some sort of attack against their credential, which it simply is not. There is not so much wrong with a wrong comment that can't be fixed by a plain and kind explanation. That is the currency of the forum, in fact.


Robert,

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. The problem is that you were passing off patently incorrect information as if it were etched in stone on tablets and you were Moses. At no point did you qualify your pronouncement of the law that you, as a non-attorney, may not be trained in the canons of statutory construction, and thus might be ill-equiped to proclaim the law, and then opine that the city had to give ITM it's "tools of the trade" for example.

This is just the latest example of you wanting to play lawyer, and failing miserably at it. The problem is, that if uncorrected, I'd be afraid that someone would take your advice as the truth, and then also fail miserably.

I'm sorry if my directness offends you, but when something is so patently incorrect and not even rooted in any basis of reality, I see little room to put on the cotton gloves and give you or anyone the light treatment.

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 6:49 pm 

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Can someone please PM me Chris Campbell's contact info? I've been in contact with SMS Railways in NJ and they are interested in the VO-1000.

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 7:35 pm 

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robertmacdowell wrote:
Thank you for explaining that Eric. I have edited my earlier statements.

This is how forums are supposed to work. Someone argues intelligently one way and supports their claims, someone else argues another way, brings more info and supports their claims, advancing their argument further, It is not suppposed to be. "Someone argues intelligently one way and supports their claims, someone else slaps a credential down, declares himself right by credential, calls the first guy an idiot and tells them to shut up, repeatedly for days".


When somebody is dealing with a technical issue, "arguing intelligently" has no merit if somebody doesn't understand the fundamentals and methods that apply to a specific set of facts and circumstances. Every profession has a way of approaching problems within its own domain-and the shared ethics, protocols, habits and dispositions of practitioners identify the knowledgeable and competent.

My wife is a nurse and we both enjoy watching those "tales from the ER" shows. Inevitably, every episode will have some frantic relative telling the physician [/b]do something[b]; apparently completely oblivious that they are doing something; namely, first doing no harm. Does that mean doctors are always right? Hell no. Will they more likely be right than your Aunt who reads Prevention magazine, or the snake-oil peddlers that ensured Steve Jobs died? You bet, and it's not even close.

There is nothing more frustrating than watching people confuse passion with rectitude or not understand the deeper meaning of things. I work for a person who is incredibly bright and has a photographic memory. That plus his 30 years of experience with the same entity makes him incredibly knowledgeable-except for one thing, his kryptonite.

He's more of a systems analyst than an accountant; periodically we'll have to have one of "those" discussions and in moments of candor;he will tell me-with a resigned shrug-"I'm not a CPA".

When I first started working for him more than a decade ago. I quickly realized this deficiency because he didn't know what "aging A/R" meant and didn't understand that insufficient funds checks were a form of accounts receivable and had to be included in the total. Most of the time, his lack of accounting knowledge is inconsequential; but it became problematic when we installed a new system and the "consultant" from Deloitte Touche talked my boss into changing the sign on a certain series of accounts because the consultant thought negative numbers would be "confusing" to "some people".

The result, is now this particular system requires you know that some accounts need to have their sign changed in order to get the "0" that a trial balance summation is supposed to provide. Thank God it is not the book of record.

The simple fact is arguing about the fate of ITM is useless at this point. The die is cast, and you either believe the person who understands the issue; or you insist on pursuing idiosyncratic novelties that are not actionable, no matter how how much specious reasoning and florid language buttresses them.


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:31 pm 

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BigBoy 4023 wrote:
Can someone please PM me Chris Campbell's contact info? I've been in contact with SMS Railways in NJ and they are interested in the VO-1000.

Robert

Just contact him through his Facebook as posted before:
https://www.facebook.com/soup24?fref=gc ... 7942171029

I used to know the contact for their curator offhand, I'll see if I can find it somewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:44 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:00 pm 

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Does anyone have a current photo or know anything about the following car on their list:
1893 Delaware & Hudson 11 Wason Coach Wood – Pay Car Stored
Thank you very much.


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:24 am 

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It's perhaps unfortunate for some here that this is only available on Facebook, but this video, featuring Jason Sobczynski of the L&A 503 project, Ted Rita(?) of the Heston Steam Museum, and NKP 587, may be of interest

From the comments, at least some of the rescues have been in planning for at least a couple of months now.

https://www.facebook.com/big.steam.mach ... jU3NjEzNg/

And here is Mr. Rita of the Heston Steam Museum discussing the Porter fireless that outfit has acquired, and their plans for it.

https://www.facebook.com/big.steam.mach ... 664422907/


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:50 am 

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Noticed this spreadsheet listing the current state of play as at 5th July regarding the ITM collection disposal on the Ahead of the Torch FB page.....

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =858139899

A useful resource.

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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:03 am 

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J3a-614 wrote:
And here is Mr. Rita of the Heston Steam Museum discussing the Porter fireless that outfit has acquired, and their plans for it.

https://www.facebook.com/big.steam.mach ... 664422907/


The sound in the background is particularly jarring given what we know is going on there.


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 Post subject: Re: Indiana Transportation Museum Given until July 12 to Mov
PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:27 am 

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Ironhorse:

>Does anyone have a current photo or know anything about the following car on their list:
> 1893 Delaware & Hudson 11 Wason Coach Wood – Pay Car Stored

Per the spread sheet, looks like it needs a home or will be scrapped (keeping in mind I am color blind and the list is a challenge for me!)

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