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Here is the valve tree on the porche of the CV 4029.

There is the same valve set on the other end and on both ends of the CV 4052. Neither of them have anything after the valve, so I wonder if the top valve may have had a Peacock/Peanut/Banshee whistle installed, for times when the caboose was leading the train down a siding. One valve for a whistle and one for applying the brakes.

Rich,

I think you're right, although the whistle may have been shop made from iron pipe and a pipe cap, pretty common on some roads. I see the CV splurged with two valves. I've seen cabooses with just a single valve on the end railing. Above it was a pipe tee, with a reducer and street el coming off the side for the whistle, and a street el above that to vent the brake pipe away from the platform. If you wanted to blow the whistle, you covered the open outlet with your gloved hand, then used the valve to sound the whistle.

they indeed had a peanut whistle installed. at one point I think I have a picture of the ones that were on 4029 when mine was spotted next to it on MCRR I pointed them out to the then owner as being brass and he promptly removed them for safe keeping, but I guess they didn't go with the car, I have supplied two peanut whistles to the Shelburne Falls museum that were surplus to my collection. the lower valve is a dump valve.

That will be a big help during trolley fest when we give caboose rides

Also found these

the valve on the left defiantly has the remnants of the peanut whistle attached. the one on the right is missing the base and a spring used to hold the tapered valve tight in its seat.

Rowan,
The prints do not show marker bracket heights, but you can see where they go by looking at the ends (which are 'original'), the mounting holes are quite visible.
The coach seats were installed by either CVRy or GMRR, I think they were used when the caboose served as the passenger accommodation on a mixed train. The private owner who had the caboose after GMRR did very little modification. The one mod they made was to put a residential toilet just sitting in the closet as a joke. I have not seen any evidence of a hole for any 'plumbing' other than the sink drain. The bunk is 'original' as well, in that it came that way with the caboose. The dump valve on the pipe tree on the platform is also original, we did not move the condensate drain valve there.

Is that part something you can still get?

Probably easier to find a complete valve.

I found what I belive to be the corect stove fot this caboose (but since we have a working one in there it won't be installed anytime soon)
Now I am trying to figure out what the top valve was used for seems to big and clumsey for blowing the Whistle which I thought was usually done by Spring loaded lever or button. Also anyone know how big the ice blocks that went into the csbooses ice box would have been?
Also I saw in the diegram a box for radio and timetable, I am wondering when this would have been added and what kind of radio would go in there.

CVRy didn't use the locomotive style whistle valves on the cabeese, they used standard car valves (same arrangement is on the 4052). Less parts to stock as the car knockers and car shop didn't have access to the locomotive shop's storeroom. Some railroads installed Sherburne Whistle which had a passageway and whistle mounted in the handle of the valve, but not the CVRy (either price or maybe they worried about it becoming clogged with ice or other debris).


With the comments about the passenger seats being correct. Unless someone can provide primary source information (i.e. company documents or photos) of them used in service, I am gonna put serious doubt on it. Luckily there are many of this series of cabeese still living (at least 10 IIRC, there was a listing when Al P. was selling his), do any of them have holes in the floor, or have those same seats installed in the same location? Maybe she was a one off, but doubt it, as IIRC CVRy was still running passenger coach service when this series of cabeese were retired. I wouldn't doubt the original purchaser may have asked the RR can I also purchase some of those seats from a retired coach that was in the same area, and then installed them himself/herself, as they would have been better to entertain friends with, than the beds.

This weekend I was able to get some lights on in the 4029 at the Ct Eastern RR Museum and there are no holes in the floor for additional seats, but there are mounting bolts in the wall for another fold down bed on that side of the caboose (below the stretcher) along with both sides of the desk, so (3) fold down beds with a canvas drop cover secured under the chair rail to cover them when not in use, would be historically correct.

On the wall with the fold down table there is also a small table between it and the San-o-Cab heater/stove. It is 14.5 deep x 22 long, and 1/2" deep with 2 steel brackets underneath. Brackets and table looks to be made from 16-18 gauge steel.


Pipe is not part of the table



If you are going to install that stove, are you going to restore the caboose to an earlier configuration (remove the masonite and the passenger seats)? If not then you might want to look for a San-o-Cab heater. Not sure which will be safer to operate around the general public. If you want, I know we have the stove we received with the 4052 in storage, I can check it to see what the make and model it is. Railroads tended to stick with one make and model to minimize parts stocked, so both probably had the same coal stove originally.

Rich C.

Is that pipe on the table between the san-o-cab heater and table attached to the water tank? Our caboose does not have the masonite cealine, we do however have that smaller table but it dosen't seem to appear in the drawings Al.P lent us. I am guessing the drawings from Al are from the 60's or 70's due to the radio reference. While we do have a working B&M railroad stove we put in the caboose I thought this one was more original and would be better. The bord of directors diden't think the stove was important because of all the work and money that would require to install it when there is already a working one inside. I ended up buying the stove myself and restoring it myself in hopes it may one day go back in. I am trying to keep an eye one of these cabooses that is in a barn as a potential parts sorce. We still need the first aid box holder, luggage rack, desk, desk light, that valve back and spring, as well as some other parts.

pipe is not part of the table, tank or stove, it is just sitting there.

Regarding the coach seats, remember that this buggy was on the Green Mountain Railroad. It then went to a private owner. If he added the coach seats, it is, I think (besides the joke toilet), the only change he made. At some point someone stripped the floor but left the red paint on the floor under the seat pedestals. I'm pretty sure these seats were installed by the GMRR.
We are mostly shooting for a CV era restoration, but the seats, as you point out, are more useful than more beds.
RCD, I think the prints are older than 1960's, after I get them scanned I'll post them here.

I got the stove and it needs some work


Needs a new ash pan

the top part and bottom part are not connected
It looks like a bolt would connect through here and to the base connecting the two parts


but...

The stove in Al.Ps caboose (now belonging to RMNE) does not have this bolt.