Alan,

1688 (actually 1683, but a mistake made some years ago has never been corrected) is a 1926 Pullman product. It has actually been modified somewhat. The clerestory roof on the interior has been modified with cove shaped air conditioning ducts. The seats were originally of the walkover variety. Not completely sure, but I recall the smoking lounges were modified somewhat as well. Note the link below:

http://americanhistory.si.edu/ONTHEMOVE/collection/object_515.html

Michael Brown

I am looking for a roster of any of the surviving 60' first generation Harriman steel coaches. I am specifically looking for the CS-217 production. anyone out there know of the survivors?

Thanks,

Some things take a while. In the first post on this thread, back in 2008 (!) Brian had asked if any PRR P70's had been saved. RRMPA has P70 1006, a "hot" (not air-conditioned) P70 built by Standard Steel in 1928. So it's not an early P70, but it is a P70.

The site "Keystone Crossings" states "In 1959-60, six P70 coaches had their ice bunkers removed and were renumbered to #1001-1006. By this time, all P70 coaches in the 1000-series were in non-air-conditioned "hot" commuter service."

Phil Mulligan

Need to check the date, etc. of CS-217. The coach at Orange Empire mentioned in the first post of this thread if from the first design with lighter center sill beams and large single (not paired) windows. Sister car at Railtown 1897 California State Park as mentioned in that post.

As I'm writing this while on a trip and away from my resources.

Several places to look: 1) The recent, massive book about coaches of the Southern Pacific published by the SP Historical & Technical Society. 2) There are a couple of resources that might show UP cars.

The Pacific Locomotive Association has four examples of early all-steel cars at its Niles Canyon Railway:

AT&SF #1861 (nee AT&SF coach #987), Pullman, 1914

SP #1949 (coach; SP class 60-C-4), Pullman, 1911

Arizona Eastern #453 (combine, SP class 60-CB-1), Pullman, 1911

Yosemite Valley #107 (nee T&NO #193, RPO, SP class 40-BP-15), Pullman, 1911


Brian

Nevada State Railroad Museum, Boulder City has a total of 12 of the "Harriman" CS series cars, including " 60' coaches" from CS 217 series, built in 1910 and 1911, two later CS 204 coaches from 1915/16, all from Southern Pacific or subsidiaries, a UP (OSL) 72' baggage postal from 1911, and a very late UP 79' coach from 1922. The remainder of the cars were converted to work service, and are far from original condition.

Randy

A few museums/tourist lines, notably WK&S and NH&I, have ex-P&R/Reading Company cars from class PBh, in the series 1400-1524. These were built 1913-1916 by Harlan & Hollingsworth in Wilmington DE as follows:

1400-1434 1913-1914
1435-1474 1914
1475-1504 1915
1505-1524 1916

15 PBh were still on the roster 12-12-1960 and some saw Iron Horse Ramble service. By then all of the surviving cars had received single-deck (arch) roofs and look more modern than pre-WWI.

1430, 1505: NH&I
1474, 1494: WK&S

Phil Mulligan

Gold Coast Railroad Museum in Miami has former Seaboard Air Line Railroad "Jim Crow" combine #259, a 1913 product of the Pressed Steel Car Company.

I have another ex-SP coach to add to the list. At the "Railroad Park Resort" just south of Dunsmuir, California, SP coach 2301 is part of the restaurant. This car is listed in the SPH&TS book as having been built as part of a 100-car order constructed August-November 1911. It was built on the account of the Central Pacific which was still a separate company under the Southern Pacific.

Pacific Southwest Railway Museum, Campo, CA, has SP#2693. Built by The Pullman Car & Mfg. Corp., Pullman, IL; April 1914. It is Class 60-CC-2 steel heavyweight car, it was built to Plan 2663, Lot 4172, Specification CS-237, per Order P-201 of June 2, 1913. See https://www.psrm.org/trains/passenger/sp-2693/ for details.

It is in pretty rough shape.

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Most if not all of these cars were at the old Heber Creeper. The State of Nevada bought a whole bunch of cars and even locomotives that were at the old Heber Creeper. Prior to the Heber Creeper these were at a number of different locations.

Four of the cars on NSRM that came from the Heber Creeper spent a couple years before that on the Arcata & Mad River during their short lived excursion program.

There is a SP class 60-C-9 car built in 1921 on the McCloud Railway Company...built for Houston & Texas Central. It has been owned by Great Western Railway Museum, not sure where ownership rests now.

Virginia & Truckee Railroad in Virginia City, Nevada, has SP #1165, built 1910.

http://www.bobsgardenpath.com/car

Mt. Hood Railroad in Oregon has at least a couple old 60' Harriman style cars, but I don't know anything about their histories.

Jeff Moore
Elko, NV

Here's another one for the list that I forgot about, even though I drive by it twice each day.

The Mt. Rainier Railroad & Logging Museum has (stored, awaiting a future rebuild) a 77' coach with a past that is missing some info (like the original car number). It is believed to be one of the 40 coaches built by Pullman in 1910 for the Western Pacific and leased to the D&RGW (this coach has "D&RGW" cast into the frame of one truck). According to the book, "Western Pacific Steam Locomotives, Passenger Trains and Cars" by Dunscomb and Stindt (April, 1980), the 40 coaches were numbered (WP) 301-340. Twenty-five of the cars were returned to the Rio Grande in 1918 and the remainder between 1923 and 1925. They were renumbered into the D&RG/D&RGW 899-950 series.

The car in Mineral currently has only the number "440" and the reporting marks "BA&P" stenciled on its sides. It went through at least a couple of private owners (during which it was intended to go to Butte, MT for a potential tourist operation) before purchase by the then-Mt. Rainier Scenic Railroad to save it from being scrapped. The car had been sand blasted inside and out at some point in the past, which erased any hidden lettering or numbers in the usual locations.

If anyone has any further information about this car, please PM me so that I can update our equipment roster.

Thanks,

Brian Wise
Roadmaster
Mt. Rainier Railroad & Logging Museum
Mineral, WA

edit: the 40 cars were built for the D&RGW and leased to the WP

Brian,

You may want to look at the top of the door and or top of the window sash... It was common to stamp the car number, plus a number to locate the window/door in the car when the sash was removed for painting and varnish...

Kelly...

Four of our 60' cars were in the Heber excursion train... the RPO and Big coach were at Corrine, and the remainder were UP work cars.

Randy