https://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/2020 ... -redlands/



More at the link. Redlands is a suburb southeast of San Bernardino, Ca.

I can't locate this in the PNAERC database. Anyone?

If that thing has a truck underneath it somebody needs to get the ball rolling I'm saving it before they toss it to scrap.

I could use a couple right now.

Is this a Lisbon or Oporto car from Aspen, Colorado? That would explain why the car is not on PNAERC.

Wesley

I live about 35 miles from here. I know the (orange , lemon, avocado ) packing houses as my family used to be members of each one. They were co-ops. Old wore out joke in southern california, if anything historical item gets in the way of a plan change, burn it down. Virtually no wood packing house exists because all accidentally burn down after historical or city officials tell them not to destroy something. Did not know any in danger ones were still out there.

I think the steel trucks are still under it and steel chassis frame. If you want it I am sure the developer will give it to you. Call Redlands city hall ask to get the projects builders contact information. Also call the Redlands fire department because there has to be an arson report and an incident report for coming out and squirting water. The project manager will get a notice to remove from the property pretty soon. After which it is gone.

I am not in that area at the moment because I have a business project I am out on.

This could be reconstructed on the chassis. In the days of my Father and Grandfather, Redlands was a very nice and expensive town. It had some really spectacular Victorian gingerbread houses but went to shit in the early part of 1970's when non-agricultural came in. Now it is turning into another mexican town with gang bangers, shoddy apartment complexes and what not. Vandalism and graffiti going up. Welcome to diversification. At least as a child I was able to see it on it's last days.

Dan

Redlands had their own electric trolley system and trolley house I recall.

Pictures of the Trolley before bums set it on fire while living inside it.

After Bums. Could have been developer rethink and burned it himself or he could have hired the bums to burn it. Either way it was a torch job. Obviously it was it very good condition till torched.

Dan

An ex Lisbon car like this by the look of it....(though this one has been "modernised")

So there will be a 900mm gauge truck under the charred remains....

Has the cause officially been determined as arson? Is it automatically a “torch job” if a “bum” lives in it?

Twenty one years ago yesterday, 6 firefighters lost their lives fighting a fire in a vacant cold storage warehouse in Worcester, Mass. The fire was started by homeless squatters using candles for light and heat. The fire got away from them and they ran. They were gone by the time the FD arrived, but no one knew that. Firefighters searched the building, became disoriented and lost. Additional firefighters went in and also became lost. More would have gone in and also died if the Chief hadn’t stood in the doorway and physically blocked them. A station was built on the site along with a memorial to the “Worcester 6”. The fire was an accident.

In a similar vein, the same trio of squatters were responsible for THREE separate vacant rowhouses burning one winter within a block of each other (and too close to MY place) in Baltimore City a couple years ago. All were deemed accidental, in part because the squatters' "belongings" (accumulation of cast-offs, drugs, etc.) were destroyed along with the houses. That pattern repeated itself all through that neighborhood, and continues to this day. (Railroad content: Too close to the B&O Museum's Restoration Facility for comfort.)

So: If someone illegally trespasses on a property yet accidentally sets it ablaze, is it arson?

It's somewhat lazy to instantly ascribe the destruction of such property to malicious arson. Not that such arson or "accidents" don't occur. Many are still rightfully suspicious about the destruction by fire of a large former B&O warehouse in Locust Point in the 1990s. I was past the police lines with a fire department photographer for a while, and he pointed out to me a couple overly-well-dressed gentlemen in fedoras, shiny shoes, and trench coats jocularly observing and commenting to one another, quite out of place in the chaos. I think we figured out later from a photo he discretely snapped that at least one of them too closely matched a certain local CSX official............

Add to the list above the former Pullman factory in the south side of Chicago - burned out in the same circumstances.

Farming and ranching never does for the small people, make a lot of money. When my Dad came out of the service after WW2 he purchased a security agency who's then owner was in trouble for well indiscretions. He ran that till he was way old and I more or less ran it. A very respected agency state wide till 1990 when we made the decision to shut down because we would not accept the political correctness dictates for government contracts.

Anyway it was armed escort, armed guards and private investigation. Insurance companies hired us for investigation in arson and other such insurance fraud. I was born into the business literally. After you have investigate many torch jobs, I don't have to play the high school melodrama of well gee it it was maybe " spontaneous combustion " and we are the victims. An object that was in contention because the city wanted it there for some form of well lets remember the past and use it as a drawing card for business and sales tax. Developer considered it a pain in the ass. Setting on sand, surrounded by a 6 foot metal fence, next to a cement building. The fire was so hot it consumed even the resin glue bonded OSB chip board that totally enclosed the trolley, being fasten down. Total consumption and the adjacent palm was burned. It burned totally yet no one called the fire department till it was a total loss. Virtually no wood is left yet everything about it is untouched. This is a hot gasoline fire or possibly diesel fuel but judging from the carbon it was a gasoline fire. Fast and hot. If bums had been living inside, a piece of OSB board would have been pried off and tossed on the ground. That OSB, laying on the sand would not have burned to total disappearance. There is no scorch marks indicated a piece of OSB had been laying on the ground and burned nor any un-burned OSB laying about. A bum does not build a door that swings nor remove the OSB, go inside and then fasten the board back over themselves enclosing themselves like a coffin. It was a torch job, most likely used gasoline in a plastic fuel can. The fire consumes the plastic can left behind, no evidence and no one sees it being carried away in someone's hand. A candle makes a good time delay igniter as it also gets consumed in the fire. Candle is good for 1 hour delay or more, so wood is put back over the access used. Set and wait. Any number of people about will do that for as little as $300 . I would tell an insurance carrier it was a torch job, maybe bums, maybe developer, maybe vandals. Who and why is another matter. The local fire department will write it up in what ever fashion is the least concern for the city. Police report will be nil.

I know of two no longer used but historically significant train stations that burned but not totally. Bums had been there in and out , shitting on the ground and bundled trash for near 2 years. BTW bums often start fires for kicks just like respectable members of the fire department, police department and 16 year old vandals. Their methods some times are the same or distinctly different. The reason ?

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Wow. Case closed.

One of the reason that all of our stuff here is made of steel. It don't burn.