It is currently Fri Aug 21, 2026 1:27 pm

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 35 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:46 pm 

Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:15 pm
Posts: 1799
I’m sure some will agree and disagree with the facts reported in this article, however it is a newspaper reporting news on railway preservation so I feel like it’s very on topic to share.

https://www.times-news.com/news/scenic-railroads-engine-no-1309-still-unable-to-run/article_5313161e-5c3f-11eb-aa74-3b87e7c8ae91.html?fbclid=IwAR19ZuR9b34FK50HCvgPYg1hkEUVv7zZWDZ68fRPhDbCoMtmC8-scKuIvjg


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:54 pm 

Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:15 pm
Posts: 1799
“WMSR officials are proposing a $3 fee per ticket to help with track maintenance.

Flanigan said the railroad board knows what needs to be done. He said the Federal Railroad Association has inspected their tracks and trains and has given them a report containing the areas that must be improved in order to operate.

Flanigan said Engine No. 1309 “still has got some things that need done to it. But we are moving forward to get those things taken care of and get operating this summer.”


I wasn’t aware there were still track issues at WMSR? Is that track issues to allow 1309 to operate? Or track issues that will allow any passenger train to operate?


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:55 pm 

Joined: Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:28 pm
Posts: 545
Location: Northern WV
Crescent-Zephyr wrote:
I wasn’t aware there were still track issues at WMSR? Is that track issues to allow 1309 to operate? Or track issues that will allow any passenger train to operate?


I am assuming (you know what can happen going down that path) that the track issues are related to the Frostburg turntable. A thread from last May covers that topic pretty well. It's always possible that a closer inspection found issues with the main line itself.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=43645&hilit=frostburg

_________________
Roger Cole


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:03 pm 

Joined: Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:45 pm
Posts: 332
"Track issues" can be almost anything. If they are based upon the FRA track safety standards, they can be anything from a loose joint bar to bad ties and track gage. The FRA does an inspection and produces a sampling of the track conditions based upon the track class and operating conditions (CWR versus jointed rail, passenger versus freight, etc.). One of the most common issues is joint ties, and they tend to come in batches as the ties age. Geometry can also be a big issue, especially at higher speeds.

Without knowing what was written up, everything is speculative and it could be some minor things or some major ones. Based upon a rough estimate of how much money they want to raise through the fee, it looks like some decent work such as ties, gage, or track alinement.

Bart


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:29 pm 

Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2004 1:51 pm
Posts: 12150
Location: Somewhere east of Prescott, AZ along the old Santa Fe "Prescott & Eastern"
Social media response to this article was about as negative as that of any honest critiques of a U.S. president, mostly "attacking the messenger" with overt hostility, accusations of bias, and claims of ignorance over the long-standing issues. And, of course, sincere belief that "steaming up the loco and moving it back and forth some feet under its own power" = "in service."

Time to do up another batch of popcorn.............


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 5:28 pm 

Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:19 pm
Posts: 2701
Location: Sackets Harbor, NY
Overall not a bad article. Matter of fact it contained some good news that the WMSR has received a substantial grant from the state of Md. that should give them the funds needed to finish her restoration??

My WAG is that sometime this 3rd. or 4th. quarter the 1309 will be back in service.

Hope springs eternal. Ross Rowland


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:00 pm 

Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:15 pm
Posts: 1799
I agree Ross. It doesn’t appear that anything is incorrect in the article but I’m not sure about the track work issue.. the article makes it sound like the FRA won’t let the WMSR rub passenger trains currently. If it’s issues with the weight of the locomotive or the turntable that’s a different issue.

$3 per ticket surcharge is a terrible idea imho from a public relations standpoint.


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:58 pm 

Joined: Mon Oct 01, 2018 3:51 pm
Posts: 466
Location: Ipswich, Mass., Phoenix, AZ
Glad that 1309 is finally "on the road" to being finished. But I thought they already had a board or whatever to monitor WMSR finances? Seems like every two or three years this same subject comes up. An annual audit is normally business-as0usual for an organization like this one.
Ned


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 11:20 am 

Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:02 pm
Posts: 1881
Location: Back in NE Ohio
Politicians gotta bluster and look busy to justify their positions.


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:36 pm 

Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:55 pm
Posts: 1109
Location: Warren, PA
Don't automatically assume the newspaper understood what they heard, or got the story right.

I'm always astounded being in public meetings, reading about it in the next days newspaper, and asking....is that the same meeting I was at?

Very early on in my career I was misquoted by a green reporter out to make a name for herself, I was almost fired as a result, when she didn't understand the difference between an audit adjustment accounting reversal and an embezzlement that horribly embarrassed the agency I was working for, and was blown into a local headline. It wasn't hostile, but it was ignorance. Journalism classes don't teach you business, or accounting, or railroading. Never forget that.

I did find it very strange that the railroad preservation community was all over the test runs of 1309 on New Years Eve, but the local newspaper didn't think it newsworthy. Go in the paper and search for it, it's not there.


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 5:55 pm 

Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:05 pm
Posts: 283
Randy Gustafson wrote:
Don't automatically assume the newspaper understood what they heard, or got the story right.

I'm always astounded being in public meetings, reading about it in the next days newspaper, and asking....is that the same meeting I was at?

Very early on in my career I was misquoted by a green reporter out to make a name for herself, I was almost fired as a result, when she didn't understand the difference between an audit adjustment accounting reversal and an embezzlement that horribly embarrassed the agency I was working for, and was blown into a local headline. It wasn't hostile, but it was ignorance.

Having been right in the middle of actual newsworthy events, both international and local, and seeing the 'news' reports on them, I have to agree completely. Maybe 25% of what you see in any given media story is somewhat accurate, at best. The rest is just entertainment and uneducated supposition these days. Maybe if we had media that just reported factual news instead of trying to be artistic 'journalists' we'd be able to tell what was really going on in the world.
Randy Gustafson wrote:
Journalism classes don't teach you business, or accounting, or railroading. Never forget that.

Or English composition, grammar or spelling for that matter.

_________________
G.
______________________________________
Radio crackles - "What the #^(& did we just hit, over?"


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:21 pm 

Joined: Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:31 am
Posts: 1341
Location: South Carolina
Relevant quote:

Quote:
“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.” – Michael Crichton (1942-2008)

_________________
Hugh Odom
The Ultimate Steam Page
http://www.trainweb.org/tusp


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:38 pm 

Joined: Fri Aug 27, 2004 4:02 pm
Posts: 1881
Location: Back in NE Ohio
Transportation journalism retired with Don Phillips. Everything else is a game of telephone.


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:41 pm 

Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:15 pm
Posts: 1799
That’s why I brought up the question about the track issue. I haven’t been to WMSR in a few years but it doesn’t seem like the FRA wouldn’t allow them to run because of bad track unless track maintenance went really downhill since my last visit.

So was that mis-written in the article? Or not understood in the meeting?
But if they are suggesting a $3 surcharge on tickets that’s major track work that apparently needs to be done.

The rest of the article seems pretty much just reporting facts... but maybe I’m missing something. Wouldn’t be the first time!


Offline
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Cumberland Times article regarding 1309 & WMSR
PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 7:13 pm 

Joined: Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:28 pm
Posts: 545
Location: Northern WV
Regarding the proposed $3 fee for needed track maintenance - most people hate add-on fees (at least, I do). Why not just raise the base fare $3 and leave it at that. If you ever look at the breakdown on your phone bill you will see just how many taxes and fees are added in.

_________________
Roger Cole


Offline
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 35 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: