Well, that was my point. I do what's right, I make sure those around me do and I have yet to see it happening on the RR in which I volunteer. If I do, I (along with a few people I know there, off hand) will do what it takes to correct it. I'm not saying it never happens or never will, but if I ever see or hear of it happening, I'll do what I can to make sure it stops, as well as discussing with others to make sure they can do what they can, too.
But in the meantime, labelling me as 'part of the problem' because I'm simply standing there, well, what does that resolve? You're only gonna tick off people needlessly, and possibly the very people who can otherwise affect the change at their own level.
Say there's a problem, because I see no question about it.
Say we can do something when we encounter it, because we can and should.
But please, don't say we're each directly responsible for it when it happens or what has happened in the past just because we were born as guys. That's just silly. And, it's also sexist.

I'm not sayin' nuthin'... LOL

How appropriate for this thread that the "correct" person is male and the "incorrect" person is female.

"A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing it's opponents and making them see the light, but rather it's opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."

Max Planck
Founder of Quantum Theory

https://www.imgur.com/aRU7C

There's tons of examples of this in Nutrition Science. That doesn't even get into "science" that has been captured by industry lobbyists.

Brian

Edit

Do I even need to mention how the "science" of vaccinations has been trashed by conspiracy theories? How CRT is completely distorted by conspiracy theories?

For example, did you know that a century ago in Tulsa Oklahoma, a white person dropped incendiary bombs on an African American neighborhood? According to the conspiracy theories, that fact is supposed to make present day children embarrassed to be white and therefore one should not teach history.

Even if one of my great great old relatives was the guilty party, why would I be embarrassed to be white? As far as it should go is "One of my distant relatives was an asshole." Hold my Manhattan.

Same in this topic. Who's claiming you should be embarrassed to be male? Some conspiracy folks?

My old CRT was distorted because it was a CRT. No conspiracy, flat screen monitors just seem to distort less and don't double as office heaters. Not sure I get your point.....

Nice job gender-stereotyping the cartoon, Brian, and how did you determine which person is correct or incorrect?

Really?

You posted an off-topic cartoon and now you want to argue about it? Read the room man.

I’m not entirely sure what the last few comments have to do with the topic at hand. None of them are railroad related.

Boy, wonder when this topic will actually get back on track, pun intended :).

Okay then, what about benevolent sexism in rail preservation? Exactly how bad can that really be if they call it "benevolent"? LOL

Like what?

Like what what, Ed? If it wasn't for a little blatant interpersonal benevolent sexism once in a while, none of us would be around to engage in the real science of rail preservation in the first place, huh?

Are you saying sexual harassment?

Because that's quite the different thing from a loving consensual relationship.

We're talking about the former here, not the latter.

But if you're confusing them, then maybe you've been unwittingly engaging in the former.

Not really, Ed. If it's institutional malevolent sexism we're actually discussing here, I'm on board with you guys. LOL

I'd like to extend a thank-you to the OP for starting this thread and for allowing women the opportunity to share their experiences. (Had I known of the survey I'd have gladly shared my own.) I'm heartened to see a few voices pop up here that understand that acknowledging someone's uncomfortable, lived experience isn't a reflection on them (unlike those in this thread who are deflecting, neutralizing, mocking, and throwing around 'what about-isms left and right). Just listening is an important step in the process of cultivating a more welcoming, inclusive environment, and for making individuals feel it's safe to say something without fear of ridicule, doubt, or retaliation. It's obvious there are at least two groups out there who get it, which makes me wish I lived closer to either. Thanks for working to make things better for everyone.

I get it too, Geepster, but it's just a matter of how much of the accompanying radical far-left zero-tolerance authoritarian ideology you'd want to drag in along with it.

You're certainly welcome to join me in my thread to help ascertain the Reading's, and maybe a few other railroad's, paint colors. It's pretty much an independent endeavor on my part so no institutional or interpersonal malevolent, ambivalent, and even benevolent sexism there. I can't do much about any potential internalized sexism, however, except perhaps lend an ear...