Atlantic Coast Line 1504 "Project Return to Glory"

rem1028 · **Joined:** Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:32 am **Posts:** 264

I guess it will be converted to burn vegetable oil now also.

John

Steamguy73 · **Joined:** Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:15 pm **Posts:** 612

https://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/photo-ga ... iDoswtP30I

It appears that the motion to move 1504 was approved by Jacksonville. The move to Clewiston, and whether or not a conversion in fuel source will happen (which I’d say is very likely) is still TBD.

I do have one question about 1504 though. I had heard some years ago that the driving wheels were in fact welded to the rails 1504 was displayed on. Is that rumor factual? Or was it just baloney I heard from somewhere.

choodude · **Joined:** Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:58 am **Posts:** 312

Steamguy73 wrote:

I do have one question about 1504 though. I had heard some years ago that the driving wheels were in fact welded to the rails 1504 was displayed on. Is that rumor factual? Or was it just baloney I heard from somewhere.

Your question is conveniently answered on the first page of this thread.

Brian

Steamguy73 · **Joined:** Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:15 pm **Posts:** 612

choodude wrote:

Steamguy73 wrote:

I do have one question about 1504 though. I had heard some years ago that the driving wheels were in fact welded to the rails 1504 was displayed on. Is that rumor factual? Or was it just baloney I heard from somewhere.

Your question is conveniently answered on the first page of this thread.

Brian

I knew I got it from somewhere lol. I’ll be sure to keep a more keen eye next time

p51 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:21 pm

choodude wrote:

Steamguy73 wrote:

I do have one question about 1504 though. I had heard some years ago that the driving wheels were in fact welded to the rails 1504 was displayed on. Is that rumor factual? Or was it just baloney I heard from somewhere.

Your question is conveniently answered on the first page of this thread.

Wow, so many key strokes and clicks could have been saved and the question actually answered by simply writing, "Yes", or "Yes, on pg 1"....

mmi16 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:05 pm **Posts:** 180

p51 wrote:

choodude wrote:

Steamguy73 wrote:

I do have one question about 1504 though. I had heard some years ago that the driving wheels were in fact welded to the rails 1504 was displayed on. Is that rumor factual? Or was it just baloney I heard from somewhere.

Your question is conveniently answered on the first page of this thread.

Wow, so many key strokes and clicks could have been saved and the question actually answered by simply writing, "Yes", or "Yes, on pg 1"....

Even when something is welded - a cutting wheel can 'unweld' the parts. Machining can restore the parts to the original contour. If the original part has been damaged, the lost ferrous metal can be welded back in place and machined to the proper contour and finish.

If it was once made by man, it can be remade - the only question is the price.

Boilermaker · **Joined:** Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:47 pm **Posts:** 219

Quote:

If the original part has been damaged, the lost ferrous metal can be welded back in place and machined to the proper contour and finish.

Pt. 230.113 Specifically prohibits the welding of any wheel or tire, excepting repairs to separate wheel centers. Which if I recall correctly, means that any tires or wheels that were/are welded would be considered condemned and would need replacement.

mmi16 · **Joined:** Thu Oct 24, 2019 11:05 pm **Posts:** 180

Boilermaker wrote:

Quote:

If the original part has been damaged, the lost ferrous metal can be welded back in place and machined to the proper contour and finish.

Pt. 230.113 Specifically prohibits the welding of any wheel or tire, excepting repairs to separate wheel centers. Which if I recall correctly, means that any tires or wheels that were/are welded would be considered condemned and would need replacement.

If it was once made, it can be remade - the only question is price $$$$$$$

Dave · **Posted:** Thu Jun 17, 2021 8:33 am

They are just tires - consumable items made to be worn out and replaced in service, and readily available today.

Richard Glueck · **Posted:** Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:57 pm

I would take this moment to mention that ACL 1504 is very much a close sister to Maine Central 470. I would also like to point out, if a sugar company would like to underwrite the rest of our tireless work, please contact me through the New England Steam website!

Preservationists in New England are welcome to visit the NESCO shop by prior arrangement through email.

NESCO wishes the 1504 project great success. The work is worth the reward!

TRS · **Posted:** Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:58 pm

Today, Sugar Express, an outreach, education, and tourism program of U.S. Sugar, announced their plan to restore to operating condition ex-Atlantic Coast Line 1504. Details are available at the Sugar Express website.

• Sugar Express 1504, 4-6-2 (ALCO Richmond 59314 / 1919), ex-Atlantic Coast Line 1504
Sugar Express: http://sugarexpress.com/acl-1504/

Alexander D. Mitchell IV · **Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:37 pm

On the move as of today:

https://www.facebook.com/SugarExpressFL ... 2260157715

CA1 · **Joined:** Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:17 pm **Posts:** 246

Very neat to see! So many said it would never run again.

Looks very similar in proportions to the A&WP 290.

Rob Gardner · **Joined:** Sat Aug 21, 2004 10:50 pm **Posts:** 574

1504 might just be the best looking (cosmetic condition) preserved steam locomotive heading off for a full restoration to operation.

A&WP 290 is a standard USRA Heavy Pacific while ACL 1504 is a standard USRA Light Pacific. Very similar proportions and dimensions but the cylinders and boiler are indeed larger on the 290. Another engine that should be brought back to steam if the will power and cash resources were there to make it happen.

Rob Gardner

p51 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 24, 2021 7:03 pm

CA1 wrote:

So many said it would never run again.

I was one of them. With CSX being apparently anti-steam when compared to the NS, I would have bet a lot of money she'd never run again anywhere.
But if the British Tornado project and UP 4014 have taught us, never assume anything, as it only takes a lot of money and time...

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