Klondike Mines Ry #3 on display at Dawson, YT has Vauclain compound cylinders. Built in 1899 as WP&Y #7. Sold in 1906 to Klondike Mines.

see next post please - forgot quote

Reply to John T:

According to all documentation, (Staufer, The Erie Dynamometer Test of 1908 and the Cornell University Thesis in conjunction with the Erie test) - operation of the Erie L1 Class only one fireman was used in regular operation.

L1 locomotive speed was slow (restricted by Erie rules to under 22mph) and because the locomotive pretty much coasted back downgrade to its starting point at the pusher pocket tracks at either Susquehanna, PA or Deposit, NY; so two firemen was not required.

So why two firebox doors? The huge Wootten firebox however needed additional access to maintain the coal bed evenly. Many Camelbacks, even smaller locomotives needed two firebox doors to access the extra wide fireboxes.

All my research can now be read in the Chapter: http://www.trainweb.org/milepost51/eriel1.html#One

http://www.ErieL1.info

Greetings:
To the best of my knowledge, the only existing "conventional" (read: not a rack locomotive), unrebuilt, Vauclain compound in North America is former White Pass & Yukon #7 (later #57), a 3 foot gauge 2-8-0 which later operated as Klondike Mines #3 and is now on display at the Dawson City Museum, in Dawson City, YT, Canada.
Note that I specified North America. Amazingly, in 2005, while doing bridge work in what was Manchuria, a 5 foot gauge Baldwin (c/n 16117) 2-8-0 was discovered, recovered, cosmetically restored and put on display at the Shenyang Railway Museum (not the China National Railway Museum outside Beijing) see rypn March 27, 2005: "Lost Locomotive" discovered in China!
J.David
PS: Sorry for the thread drift... JDC

The Erie 0-8-8-0s were famously restricted to 15mph, a very hard figure, hard because enforced with Flaman speed recorders that were regularly read.

Fearsome dynamic augment above that speed.

Have not encountered the 15 mph rule in my research - Erie RR Special Instructions Delaware Division July 1, 1914 states:


not to exceed 20 mph over Starrucca & Lanesboro Viaducts
not less than 30 minutes from Susquehanna to Gulf Summit - 8 miles divided by 30 minutes: 21.8182 mph.

Regards,

By 1914, the Susquehanna Hill was becoming Triplex (P-1) or as the Erie men supposedly called them, Centipede country. The L-1's were reassigned to Port Jervis, where they continued their careers on the east-bound grade to FX & Deer Park Pass. In 1921, the L-1's went back to Baldwin for a rework. Superheaters and stokers were installed, as well as the cab being moved back to the firebox. In addition, a single axle pony and trailing truck was added. These rebuilt articulated engines outlasted the Triplexes by about 10 yrs.

Can you provide any corroborating documentation please?

I have found no mention of Mallet operations in the Erie Rule Books or Special Instructions for the division east of Port Jervis (New York Division IIRC) and referencing those up to the date the L1's were retired: 1930

Westing (Erie Power) has it that two triplexes (5015 and 5016) were assigned to Bloomford / Alford Summit as mid train helpers, and 5014 assigned to Gulf Summit as pusher.

Furthermore, it is written the Triplexes were in the shop often; frequently with only one in service at any given time.

As much as I like the Triplex, if they were in the frequently in the shop something else was pushing those trains over Gulf Summit.

Erie Power shows Texas' and Berks (post 1927) in the photos.

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Hi Kelly,
Try telling that to the all armchair experts.. I can't convince 'em. http://www.trainweb.org/milepost51/eriel1.html#One

On another note, I heard you retired. Is it so? Never minds, just saw your signature - congrats - you've earned it.

Best,
P

Can you provide any corroborating documentation please?


The first photo in this thread looks like it was taken at Port Jervis. That's a pretty distinctive hill in the background. Also see Alexanders book "American Locomotives, 1900-1950", p. 64 showing a "Angus" ( for Angus Sinclair) L-1 sitting in a cut. That cut is at Howells Jct.

That photo was taken June 1911, before the Triplexes arrived (1914), on a publicity showing by Erie Railroad, hence the suits by the tender (and under the cab of locomotive). They (Erie) did a similar photo tour same with the Triplexes I believe on Alford Summit.

The second photo you reference, with respect, I disagree - I believe this is Susquehanna, PA west of the Starrucca House just east of the truss bridges crossing the river. This is where the pusher pocket was located for pushers waiting for eastbound trains. (See the 1929 Erie Track Chart on my website.) It was a popular location for photos as the pusher locomotives would wait there until needed, then get cut in behind the train for the push.

Note the tracks dead end behind the locomotive. The Alexander picture was taken a little east of the photo I show. The photo of 5014 Triplex in Erie Power on page 212 is also in the same location.

Front Street is just above the locomotive, as is the telephone and code lines - you can still see this embankment in Google Maps aerial (it's all overgrown now). A lot of the Erie locomotive postcards images were taken in this location, including the older 2-10-0 pushers.

Regards,

Check out CNJ No. 592 at the B&O Museum. I believe it has dual firedoors.

It does.

I agree with the location of your shot at Susquehanna. The photo I was referring to is this one :