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 Post subject: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:57 pm 

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The Illinois Railway Museum has opened a large model railroad exhibit in their new Multi Purpose Building in 2021. The visitors seem to enjoy it very much.

The Seashore Trolley Museum has announced a fully funded model railroad called the Maine Central Model Railroad. The new building will start construction in the Spring. It will feature many Maine scenes.

The Colorado Railroad Museum has long had both an indoor layout and a garden railroad outside. Both are popular with the visitors.

These displays allow education about different periods of railroad operations. And they give an indoor place for visitors to go during the winter season.

How do people feel about having this kind of attraction at a railroad museum?

Ted Miles, Seashore Member


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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:09 pm 

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A few years ago I visited a nice regional (not railroad) museum with a model railroad that had cab view and caboose view cameras feeding to large TV monitors on the wall. There were several dozen visitors viewing the model railroad, many with their children, and just a few others looking around the rest of the quite excellent museum.

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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:22 pm 

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At National Capital Trolley Museum, our O-scale layout of Connecticut Ave. in Washington, DC remains a popular exhibit.

Visitors start the car by turning a K-controller handle. There is also an opportunity to hand crank a generator to light several houses (not shown).

The layout was built in house by our volunteers.

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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 4:41 pm 

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The little Union Depot Railroad Museum in Mendota, Illinois Has a nice display layout. Mendota used to be a crossing of the Burlington, and Illinois Central, with a Milwakee Road branch that ended there, I believe, with a large union depot that served all three railroads. Now the Milwaukee and most the depot building are gone. The solution is an HO scale layout of the crossing, entire depot, and adjacent downtown to show the relationship between these elements and the imposing size of the original depot. My only criticism is in order to show action on all three railroads, the Milwaukee gets routed on the IC for part of the trip, but the kids don't seem to mind. The layout is featured in this youtube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzReTkf1C5c

As I recall, Steamtown in Scranton also has a small HO scale display showing the original arrangement of the buildings and coaling plant. I recall that when I saw it years ago I felt it would have been more effective if it had been built in a larger scale.

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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:01 pm 

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The attitude at Branford Electric Rwy. Ass'n. - Shore Line Trolley Museum varies depending on who's in charge at any given time. While train and trolley layouts are and have been popular with the public, and even more so when interactive, we have to decide if we are a model railroad attraction that shows the public what they want to see, or a Museum that shows the public what we want them to see.


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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:23 pm 

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JimBoylan wrote:
...we have to decide if we are a model railroad attraction that shows the public what they want to see, or a Museum that shows the public what we want them to see.


Are those two really mutually exclusive? Pretty sure the majority of the public simply wants to see the model trains run. Can't it be done in a way that also provides a historic context?

I'm a member of the Puget Sound Model Railroad Engineers. We have a large HO Scale layout in the Washington State History Museum. It features a historical depiction of the area, and appropriate trains that would have been seen during the period modeled. It also has a "push the button to make the trains go" feature. They seem to co-exist just fine.


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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:23 pm 

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Four major railroads ran through North Judson but only one line still exists as it was. And what is here now, is not in any way, the appearance as things were back THEN. To help visitors understand somewhat, the way it once was, we have a bit condensed, non-operating N gauge layout, in one of our cars, as things were in about 1952.

Les Beckman (Hoosier Valley Railroad Museum)


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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:27 pm 

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One of the most impressive I have seen is in the Cincinnati History Museum in the old Union Station.

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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:00 pm 
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The problem is it has to be foolproof and you need to have people to maintain the thing.
Also, there's a lot of club layouts that don't look good at all. You're gonna have to go that route for the most part, as people at a 1:1 scale museum would be mostly focused on the full sized stuff and not the little stuff.

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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:10 pm 

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Lets bring back this EMD cutaway 1:48 model shop display to show again. It used standard commercial "O" scale model railroad equipment. No moving parts to maintain. And after more than 70 years it is still the only display of this type that I have seen. EMD designed the shops for many railroads, their Facilities Catalog was published in 1944, and reportedly 39 railroads had EMD designed shops by 1947.

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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:13 pm 

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Models can be a great interpretative tool, especially to show things that don't exist anymore.

But simply putting a loop of track with Thomas the Tank engine on it just to give people something to look at feels like a weak attempt to serve an organization's mission.

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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:43 pm 

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Dennis Storzek wrote:
As I recall, Steamtown in Scranton also has a small HO scale display showing the original arrangement of the buildings and coaling plant. I recall that when I saw it years ago I felt it would have been more effective if it had been built in a larger scale.

This is correct. For many years (perhaps since the exhibits were completed) STEA has had an operating HO scale diorama representing the DL&W yards. It is pretty large in HO scale and so I do not know if they would have had the space for a larger maybe 0 scale version. This was a real nice exhibit that really gave you a sense of the scope and scale of steam era operations. It was automated, was both popular and informative, and furthered the mission of conveying to visitors what DL&W's operations in Scranton looked like and how all the pieces fit together. It has been a while so I do not recall the specific era it recreated. Unfortunately, it has not operated for years. The story I heard is that it was designed and constructed without sufficient documentation such that the people currently responsible for it do not have the ability to maintain and repair it when needed. I can not attest to the veracity of this but I have had first-hand experience with "lost" preservation documentation so the explanation is at least feasible to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:36 pm 

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I saw it run years ago, and it suffered from the common problem of all automated displays maintained by "staff", when the train stalls, they tweak the speed up so it won't happen again. The action consisted of a 0-6-0 pushing hoppers up the ramp to the elevated coal dock, and it did so at 'warp speed', stopping a mere inch or two before it leapt into space off the top, paused, then flew back down. I figured 1/4" scale would have a better chance of continuing to run at a more reasonable speed.

I ran a auto running 2' x 6' HO layout in the Accurail booth at the Chicago Model & Hobby show for about ten years. It was an urban scene, with ground level track, and track on an embankment with a ramp in between; the track plan based on the Chuck Yungkurth designed Gum Stump & Snowshoe beginner layout written up in Model Railroader magazine in the sixties. A SW-1 and caboose reversed three times as it climbed to a perch directly above where it started, then the conductor said, "Damn, I forgot my lunch" and they ran all the way down again. Repeatedly. It used Circuitron control modules and was quite reliable. One thing I learned is kids don't have any attention span to speak of; I set the delay while the switch was lined and the engine reversed to what felt right to me, and almost every kid turned away before the engine started moving again. I forget what I found the maximum delay was to keep their interest, but it wasn't very long at all.

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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:45 pm 

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B&O museum recently installed a large HO scale layout that an Executive of a national bank had had commissioned for his home some time ago. He recently donated it to the museum and also paid for the builder to move it and restore. The layout does a nice job of representing Baltimore, including a wonderful model of the ballpark that includes thousands of fans and players positioned for an exact moment of a real game. My first take is that it is a model of Baltimore with the trains there because there are trains in Baltimore.

The museum also has a layout in a baggage car that represents parts of the B&O, including an operating coal dock. This layout is quite old and as been well maintained.

Growing up, my kids were always entertained by an outdoor G scale layout at the museum that was maintained by a local nursery who also sets up a layout at Christmas. In recent years, it hasn't been maintained, so perhaps the agreement has broken down or COVID got in the way. The kids liked this because it was interactive with buttons to start trains and buttons to blow whistles and bells. As much as I like trains and the museum, I spent more time out there on cold days then I would have liked.

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 Post subject: Re: Model Railroads
PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:39 am 

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You DON'T have a model railroad exhibit at your museum!?

We have sizable layouts in the different scales and attached clubs who operate them.

It's another way of bringing volunteers to the museum, it impresses the adult visitors, and most importantly: it entertains the little kids. What's not to like?

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