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 Post subject: Re: 261 and the new river train
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:09 pm 

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"I CAN say that ALL QJs have Trofimov valves, and none that I have seen have any kind of doohickey to allow adjustment of the piston valve stems."


No, they do not (have any adjustment of the piston-rod length, that is). What I don't know is if they have the internal cushioning 'piston and rings' that was the Meiningen innovation (and why I spell 'Trofimov' the way I do -- because Meiningen, which 'perfected' the valve with the cushioning piston, did. (I suspect they do not, because some of the reports I have read about the Sy and QJs say that they 'jingle' in bypass, with is the piston heads banging on the stops -- the internal piston cushions this action.)

You will notice how carefully I phrased that discussion of 'adjustable head stops' for Trofimov valves as a speculation. Or at least I thought I had. It was in response to the thing about the Polish adjustable valve rod that wouldn't work for adjusting the actual symmetrical timing on a 2-cylinder quartered engine... or so I think.

It certainly wasn't my intention to boondoggle Sammy King, for whom I have the utmost respect.

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 Post subject: Re: 261 and the new river train
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 7:47 pm 

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Thank You Robert, Nor was it my intention to be taken too seriously. I have an original edition QJ manual, I'll see if I can determine anything from it. The second largest section in my RR library is in Chinese, but the biggest is in German. Again, I MIGHT dig something up that interests you. The Br 10, 1.5, 65, or the spectacular 18-201 would be likely candidates for adjustable cutoff, but I think that changing cutoff with any means other than jiggling a johnson bar or spinning the wheel, would have to be done during a shopping, not a water stop.

You might be interested to know that I worked for Dave way back when I got the two tenders out of Guatemala for the SYRy. We routinely exchange wise remarks off list.... I have the utmost respect for you as well, Mr. Ellsworth.

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 Post subject: Re: 261 and the new river train
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:05 pm 

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"I think what Robert is referring to is the development by Strossell of what he called "nachfahrt" (follow) in his design of the 3 cylinder double conjugated 0-8-2 heavy banking engines for the Sturhmerbahn in 1877."

I think you mean Stossel, of the famed locomotive builders Stossel und Stange von Chelmnitz. He was, as I recall, the inventor of infinite reversing Feuerreitenbrennschluss (riding cutoff) for express locomotives, a system second only to Hagans valve gear as inscrutable to non-Teutonic engineering minds.

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 Post subject: Re: 261 and the new river train
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:25 pm 

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Kein scheisse ??

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 Post subject: Re: 261 and the new river train
PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 8:55 pm 

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Was kann ich sagen? Heissdampf ist kein Scheissdampf! Und Dave hat Nachdampf, nicht Narrdampf, geschreiben...

Denken Sie an lokomotiven von Chelm. Seiner Maschinen sind wie wichtig als richtig!

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 Post subject: Re: 261 and the new river train
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 7:51 am 

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Geez, can't a guy have some fun at work? Still, it has led me into some interesting lines of thought....... if only Reuben Goldberg was still alive to consult with.

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 Post subject: Re: 261 and the new river train
PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2022 3:06 pm 

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I don't know how to answer that. Looking between boom and boost, boondogle isn't in my Larouse English/German dictionary, and my computer accuses me of misspelling it, anyhow. Fun, fun, fun...

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 Post subject: Re: 261 and the new river train
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:05 pm 

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Your computer is right -- try "boondoggle"

One of the German 'synonyms' is actually more accurate than the English: Zeitverschwendung.

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 Post subject: Re: 261 and the new river train
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2022 1:19 pm 

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Ouch. If I had any sense, I would have become a vet.... (Check your PMs, Please, Robert).

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