Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars

Elizabeth · **Posted:** Fri Jun 16, 2023 9:44 am

"Lake Terrell" was at the museum as of June 5th.

Elizabeth

pullmanologist · **Joined:** Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:20 am **Posts:** 22

I received word today that the LAKE TERRELL hasn't been given or sold to a scrapper - yet. Lakes Shore is trying to find a home for it before that becomes the only alternative.

ted66 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 29, 2023 8:17 pm

Folks,
I have just heard that the Pullman sleeping car Palm Lane has arrived at the Illinois
Railway Museum. I believe it is a heavy wight car built in 1929. It was retired in 1956 to the Central New York Chapter, NRHS. It was displayed for many years at the New York State Fairgrounds.

Has it been mentioned in this series? What railroads did it travel on? Where did it go?

Ted Miles retired but still interested in trains

PMC · **Joined:** Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2609

ted66 wrote:

Folks,
I have just heard that the Pullman sleeping car Palm Lane has arrived at the Illinois
Railway Museum. I believe it is a heavy wight car built in 1929. It was retired in 1956 to the Central New York Chapter, NRHS. It was displayed for many years at the New York State Fairgrounds.

Has it been mentioned in this series? What railroads did it travel on? Where did it go?

Ted Miles retired but still interested in trains

Looks like it "belonged" (assuming they actually made any lease payments) to IOU Pacific last: viewtopic.php?p=231856#p231856

Brian Norden · **Posted:** Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:12 pm

Illinois Ry Museum has a page on its website about the arrival of the former PALM LANE at its museum site; included is a ownership history and future plans:

https://www.irm.org/in-the-news/palm-lane-arrives/

alcoguy1 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 18, 2024 10:35 am

Rainier Rails wrote:

More Potential Survivors:

These cars all come from Herman Page's Pullman list of July 1999. None have been discussed before in this thread. The info is now 22 years old, but if anyone has info on if any of these cars are still extant today, either at the locations listed from back then or elsewhere, that would be most appreciated! (Same goes on if any scrapping dates are known for now-gone cars in the below listing.)

Madley (Lot #4845, Plan #3410, 1925, 12S-1DR, PRR)--sold to PRR #8863 (1948) to MofW #492989 (1962) located on Northern Central in New Freedom, PA (19??)

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"Madley" was cut up in 2008. At the time it was sitting at Letterkenny Army Depot.

Macowiec · **Joined:** Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:24 am **Posts:** 10

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20. Emerald Vale (Lot #4351, Plan #4022B, 1915/33, 8S-4DB, WAB, ex-Wetamoo)--sold to WAB (1948) to AA #3296 to Southern MI RR Soc

This week, the SMRS moved the Emerald Vale (along with some other cars) to the north end of the line. The car had been stored north of Lenawee Junction, Michigan since being donated by the State of Michigan in 1987!

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https://www.facebook.com/SouthernMichiganRailroad

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Thu Dec 26, 2024 7:34 am

Another Survivor:

492. Unknown to U.S. Army hospital/mortuary car, now owned by unknown party and stored in Boulder, CO

This car was reported on by Jacob Carey in the Surviving Passenger Cars group on Facebook a ways back.

Like several other surviving/potentially surviving ex-USAX conversions, the Pullman history for this additional example remains for now a mystery.

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Thu Dec 26, 2024 7:40 am

Update:

On Saturday, May 2nd, 2015, 3rd Post on Page #30, Rainier Rails wrote:

As posted by J. David Conrad in the "Mid-Continent Auction Preliminary Report" thread: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38024

203. Sumter (Lot #4222, Plan #2522A, 1913/42, 7C-2DR)--sold to CN and rebuilt to Class PB-73-M-2 52 seat coach-24 seat smoker #5375 (1942) later rebuilt to 78 seat/110 standee commuter coach (when??) donated to Lake Superior Museum of Transportation (1975) sold to Mid-Continent Railway Museum (April 1993) sold at auction for $10,000 to bed and breakfast (2015).

The former Sumter was acquired by the Wisconsin Great Northern in 2023.

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Thu Dec 26, 2024 7:45 am

Update:

On Tuesday, July 7th, 2020, 2nd Post on Page #41, Rainier Rails wrote:

On Friday, October 1st, 2010, 8th Post on Page #2, Newriver400 wrote:

Glen Ayr was in Jacksonville (sold recently to AC&W in North Carolina)

On Monday, January 6th, 2014, 10th Post on Page #3, Rainier Rails wrote:

28. Glen Ayr (Lot #6182, Plan #3523C, 1928, 6C-3DR, ACL)--sold to ACL (1948) to pvt. owner (Jacksonville) to AC&W

Additional Info:

This car was in the collection of the North Florida RY Museum before the sale to the AC&W. The museum's website still lists the car despite the sale to AC&W: http://www.nfrm.org/glen_ayr.htm and states that the car was donated by SBD to the NRHS North Florida Chapter in 1986.

There was some question last year in the Passenger Car List group on GroupsIO if the car was still at the museum. The most recent Google street view imagery shows the other equipment in the museum's collection, but the Glen Ayr isn't visible, so it would seem it has indeed left Jacksonville for NC.

This car was donated by the AC&W to the Pullman National Historic Park in 2023. (Likely as a result of AC&W acquiring another 6-3, the Glen Summit.)

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Thu Dec 26, 2024 7:56 am

Update:

On Tuesday, January 7th, 2014, 9th Post on Page #5, Rainier Rails wrote:

One car that I excluded initially because I didn't have a current or near-current status was the:

Asheville (Lot #3848, Plan #2502, 1911, pvt. car, ex-Advance [1st])--sold to Algoma Central #552 Michipicoten (1944)

I know this car lasted for a long time on the ACR--see here: http://trainweb.org/algoma/proster.html

Does anyone know the current status of this car?

On Tuesday, January 7th, 2014, 1st Post on Page #6, MRLX1020 wrote:

AC # 552 Michipicoten was gifted from the ACR/CN to the Illinois Historic Preservation Agency in December 2007 once it's ties to Pullman and Robert Todd Lincoln were established. Their goal is to cosmetically restore the car and display it next to the nicely rehabbed Illinois Central "Lincoln Depot" in Springfield, IL as part of the Lincoln Museum campus.

The car has been stored at Gateway Rail Services since it's donation, awaiting restoration. The car is very original inside, save for a few updated (I dare not say modern) system items - wood sash windows and the original dining room table marked "Advance".

On Tuesday, January 7th, 2014, 4th Post on Page #6, Rainier Rails wrote:

Thanks, MRLX1020, for the info on ACR Michipicoten!

Now listed as line item No. 155:

155. Asheville (Lot #3848, Plan #2502, 1911, pvt. car, ex-Advance [1st])--sold to ACR #552 Michipicoten (1944) to Illinois Historic Preservation Agency (2007)

The Advance (1st) will now reportedly be part of the collection/displayed at the Pullman National Historic Park, instead of in Springfield as was initially reported in this thread a decade ago.

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:12 am

Ownership Update:

On Monday, January 6th, 2014, 11th Post on Page #3, Rainier Rails wrote:

89. Palm Lane (Lot #6217, Plan #3975H, 1929, 3C-2DR-buf-sol-lng-obs, SAL)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to James E. Strates Shows as #2 Syracuse (1956) to Central NY Chapter NRHS to Iowa Pacific-SLRG (2013)

On Sunday, October 29th, 2023, 3rd Post on Page #53, ted66 wrote:

Folks, I have just heard that the Pullman sleeping car Palm Lane has arrived at the Illinois Railway Museum. I believe it is a heavy wight car built in 1929. It was retired in 1956 to the Central New York Chapter, NRHS. It was displayed for many years at the New York State Fairgrounds.

As was reported on this page a year ago, the Palm Lane is now at IRM, having been donated by Roger Kramer.

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:23 am

Update:

On Monday, January 6th, 2014, 11th Post on Page #3, Rainier Rails wrote:

92. Central Plains (Lot #4971, Plan #3959E, 1926, 3C-2DR-lng-obs, SP)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to SP and rebuilt to business car #106 Shasta (1953) to #106 Oregon to UP (1996) to Tri-City & Olympia RR #106 (2000) to California Northern #106 (2013)

This car ended up as a residence in Bonner, MT, and was relisted for sale in October 2023.

https://theoldhouselife.com/2023/10/27/wow-furnished-train-car-in-montana-circa-1925-249000/

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Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:55 am

more updates, corrections, and historical fill-in-the-blanks for a number of cars to be posted later today

Rainier Rails · **Posted:** Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:47 pm

Ownership Info:

On Thursday, November 22nd, 2018, 12th Post on Page #37, Rainier Rails wrote:

On Monday, January 6th, 2014, 11th Post on Page #3, Rainier Rails wrote:

81. Kenova (Lot #4014, Plan #2410, 1912/42, 12S-1DR, GN)--Tourist #1439 sold to GN and converted to baggage #475 (1948) to BN MofW #976060 (1973) to Standard Rail Services (1985) to Pacific Railroad Preservation Association #475 Kenny Prager to pvt. owner #475 (located near Portland, OR)

On Saturday, June 14th, 2014, 11th Post on Page #18, Rainier Rails wrote:

Where Is It Now?:

327. Mt. Peale (Lot #4998, Plan #3521A, 1926, 10S-buf-lng-obs)--sold to C&EI and converted to business car #354 (1948) to Crow-Woodbridge Enterprises, Incorporated as IC #28 and renamed Jo-Vi-La (#800147)

While searching for the car's current whereabouts, I found a reference to an STB document from 1975 pertaining to the car's ownership:

Description Page

PDF File

The document concerns a Security Agreement between the owners of said car, Crow-Woodbridge Enterprises, Inc. (Olympia, WA) and Midwest Rail Car Leasing, Inc. (University City, MO).

Does anybody know the disposition or current wherabouts of the Mt. Peale/Jo-Vi-La? Thanks in advance.

On Sunday, September 21st, 2014, 2nd Post on Page #24, jmlaboda wrote:

PULL Mt. Peale was rebuilt by C&EI to business car 354 and later sold (after the split between MoPac and L&N).

On Sunday, September 21st, 2014, 3rd Post on Page #24, Rainier Rails wrote:

327. Mt. Peale (Lot #4998, Plan #3521A, 1926, 10S-buf-lng-obs)--sold to C&EI (1948) WFL date not listed, rebuilt to business car #354 (when??) sold to private ownership (when??) and named Jo-Vi-La (#800147)

I have not been able to find any recent info on this car

First off, back in 2015 there was a thread over on Trainorders showing that this car as of several years before that was stored in Portland, OR, along with 2 others, both of which are also surviving Pullmans, the Plan #3974F Mission Santa Ynez (line item #103) and the former Kenova.

More recently, a photo was posted on RR Picture Archives showing that the former Mt. Peale is now stored in Chehalis, WA, as DLJX #354, and behind it is the former Kenova as DLJX #475: http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4960752 (J Fischer photo)

Finally, the "Private Passenger Car Annual" provided a little more info on the initial post-CGW ownership.

327. Mt. Peale (Lot #4998, Plan #3521A, 1926, 10S-lng-obs)--sold to CGW and rebuilt to business car #354 (1948) resold to Joseph V. Lamantia as #28 and named Jo-Vi-La (unknown date) resold to Edmund J. Boyce, Jr. as #28 (unknown date) resold to Crow-Woodbridge Enterprises, Inc. as #28/#800147, Olympia, WA (unknown date) resold to unknown party, Portland, OR (unknown date) resold to DLJX as #354, Chehalis, WA (unknown date)

These two cars are owned by Daryl J. Lund. And yes, it is reporting mark DLJX, as DJLX is a former David J. Joseph Co. reporting mark now belonging to CIT Financial.

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