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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:54 pm 
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Update:
On Saturday, January 7th, 2023, 8th Post on Page #52, Rainier Rails wrote:
As forwarded to the Surviving Passenger Cars group by Isaac Pena:

105. Golden Peak (Lot #6125, Plan #3959A, 1928, 3C-2DR-lng-obs, ex-Crystal Peak, Overland Limited/Golden State Limited)--retained (1948)--to Lucius Beebe & Charles Clegg and rebuilt to business car #100 Virginia City (1955) resold to Nevada Alvarado Corporation (unknown date) resold to Wade Pellizzer-Virginia City Rail Corporation (#800313) (unknown date)

This car has now been resold to Michael Presson and another party, will be going back into regular PV service, and will be moved from its current home at Salinas, CA, up to Oakland.

As posted on the car's Facebook page by Mr. Presson: https://www.facebook.com/virginiacityrailcar/posts/pfbid022XRrqCPn76sB9xnZ8FgJaUwn84PMWMyWikHiJskbLvQiVndCoZJKDzfsoqZMhAibl
Plans changed, as this car was put back on the market, specifically listed for sale on Ozark Mountain Railcar.

https://ozarkmountainrailcar.com/railEquipment.php?itemId=3700&category=Passenger%20Equipment

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:05 pm 
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On Monday, January 6th, 2014, 11th Post on Page #3, Rainier Rails wrote:
121. Great Spirit (Lot #4782, Plan #3953C, 1924, 3C-1DR-lng-obs, Monon)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Monon and converted to business car #2 (1953) to L&N to Leonard Brown #2 Lynne (1971) to Monon RR H&TS #2 The Monon (#800350) (2011)
On Monday, January 6th, 2014, 13th Post on Page #3, Les Beckman wrote:
A bit of clarification on Great Spirit. Yes, she was eventually donated to the Monon Railroad Historical-Technical Society and moved to the Indiana Railway Museum in French Lick, Indiana. And yes, the President of the MRHTS wanted to rename her as the Monon to honor the railroad. However, it was put to a vote of the MRHTS membership and we decided in favor of Lynne and that is the name she is now (again) known by. She carried the name Lynne when in service on the Monon until she was eventually renumbered simply as number 2.
This car is now in the collection of the Hoosier Valley RR Museum as of 2023.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:13 pm 
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On Tuesday, May 7th, 2019, 4th Post on Page #40, Rainier Rails wrote:
99. Queen Anne (Lot #4862, Plan #3957/C/G/H, 5/25, 26 seat-1DR, Black Diamond) to WAB (12/31/45), platform enclosed and renamed City of Peru (with 27? seats) in 12/56 (Plan #3957L), to N&W?, sold at unknown date to Nugent Bros. Roofing Co., resold at unknown date to Danville Industries, resold at unknown date to Smoky Hill RHS, later to storage at Comet Industries (exact ownership at this time unknown), resold circa 2008 to NOPB, plans were to have P. Messina rebuild it to a sleeper, plans cancelled with the shakeup in NOPB management and questions over millions spent on the other 2.
This car was owned by Lewis Austin after Smoky Hill RHS.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:18 pm 
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On Wednesday, September 10th, 2014, 3rd Post on Page #23, Rainier Rails wrote:
355. Point Vincente (Lot #4836, Plan #3584, 1924, 10S-2DR)--sold to SOU #2435 (1948) converted to coach #1034 (1954) to MofW #960422 (when??) to NS #960422
This car was acquired by the Everett RR in 2023.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:23 pm 
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On Sunday, November 13th, 2022, 12th Post on Page #48, Rainier Rails wrote:
77. Caspar (Lot #4574, Plan #2410F, 1920, 12S-1DR, C&NW)--Tourist #1211 (1941)--sold to SP&S and rebuilt to postal storage #55 (1947) to BN via merger as MofW #976137 (1970) acquired by the Pacific Northwest Chapter NRHS (1985) and stored in Beaverton, OR

This car was scrapped back in May of this year at the storage site in Beaverton (along with one of the nee-GN 48 seat chairs [turned NJT 108 seat commuter coach] acquired from URHS in 1991, specifically nee-GN #1220).

I do not know the current status (i.e., to be retained or dispositioned) of the other Pullman-turned-SP&S headend car stored at the Beaverton site:

85. Rillito (Lot #4503, Plan #2410F, 1917, 12S-1DR)--Tourist #2010 (1935)--sold to SP&S and rebuilt to RPO-baggage #47 (1947) to baggage-dormitory #76 (1966) to BN via merger (1970) acquired by the Pacific Northwest Chapter NRHS as #76 (1971) and used on the American Freedom Train (1975-1976) later stored in Beaverton, OR
The Rillito was reportedly also scrapped at the same time that the Caspar was.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:34 pm 
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On Friday, September 19th, 2014, 13th Post on Page #23, Rainier Rails wrote:
Also listed as sold to Jack Ferris:

29. Glen Fee (Lot #4970, Plan #3523A, 1926, 6C-3DR)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Jack Ferris (1965) to OP&E to Galveston RR Museum
This car, along with several others owned by Ferris, came up in discussion a ways back in the Surviving Passenger Cars group on Facebook, and the son of Jack Ferris replied with some info regarding the Glen Fee:
Sam Ferris wrote:
This was one of the cars my father purchased from The Pullman Company for the Bear Creek Jct in NC. At the request of Jack Veach of Bemis Hardwood Co., this car was painted in UP colors.
So the ownership reads as follows:

29. Glen Fee (Lot #4970, Plan #3523A, 1926, 6C-3DR)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to Jack Ferris (1965) to Bear Creek Scenic/Junction RR (Graham County RR) (Topton, NC) (circa 1970) to OP&E (no date) to Moody Foundation/Galveston RR Museum (1978)

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:45 pm 
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On Saturday, April 12th, 2014, 12th Post on Page #17, Rainier Rails wrote:
313. Philadelphia (Lot #4211, Plan #2502A, 1914, private car)--sold to WP #105 (1942) sold to Dick Reynolds-Great Western Tours (when?) and later used on Napa Valley Wine Train--current location in CA unknown
On Saturday, September 26th, 2015, 13th Post on Page #31, Rainier Rails wrote:
Under Reynolds' ownership, this car was still #105, with the name Argonaut applied, and like several other cars owned by Reynolds, was stored on the Sierra RY. It is still owned by Napa Valley, and the name Argonaut is still on the car.
This car was listed for sale on Ozark Mountain back towards the beginning of 2024.

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=47980

https://ozarkmountainrailcar.com/railEquipment.php?itemId=3757&category=Passenger%20Equipment

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:14 pm 
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History Correction:
On Monday, January 6th, 2014, 11th Post on Page #3, Rainier Rails wrote:
96. Old Elm Club (Lot #4484, Plan #4026C, 1917/32, CGW, ex-Miloma)--sold to CGW (1948) sold to MILW and converted to business car Indiana (1955)--this car was recently listed on Ozark Mountain Railcar
On Tuesday, May 13th, 2014, Post on Page #, Rainier Rails wrote:
Some additional info:

96. Old Elm Club (Lot #4484, Plan #4026C, 1917/32, 10S-buf-lng, ex-Miloma)--retained (12/31/1948)--sold to MILW and converted to business car Indiana (1955) to R. Dringenburg-Midland RY Historical Association (Baldwin City, KS) recently listed for sale on Ozark Mountain Railcar
On Friday, February 6th, 2015, 14th Post on Page #28, Rainier Rails wrote:
The Indiana was moved in June 2011* to Moberly, MO, and located next to the Wabash depot, and is in the process of being cosmetically restored. The car is now lettered as Great Lakes Rail Car (GTLX) #100, although I don't know at this time if Great Lakes purchased the car for display (or donated it to a group/the town of Moberly for display) or if the GTLX reporting marks were simply used for the movement of the car to Moberly.

*The date of June 2011 comes from Rick Morgan, who uploaded the following photograph.

Taken on July 27th, 2012: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3122719
On Sunday, April 5th, 2015, 1st Post on Page #30, rock island lines wrote:
RE: Indiana

I wonder if it was heavily modified when it was converted from the Pullman Miloma to the MILW business car Indiana? Is it possible to tell by glancing at the original floor plan for that lot/plan and comparing it with the present-day interior photos?

Edit:
A very interesting side note -
I was curious about the unusual name, "Miloma", so did a search. According to Wikipedia, "Miloma" is the name of an unincorporated community in Minnesota, which got its name from names of railroads. Quote: "The name of the community is a double contraction, Milwaukee and Omaha, from the names of two railroads, the Chicago, Milwaukee & Saint Paul and the Chicago, Minneapolis & Omaha." Interesting! It would be nice to see the car restored as the Pullman "Miloma" provided that it has not been heavily altered from its sleeping car configuration.
On Sunday, April 5th, 2015, 2nd Post on Page #30, jmlaboda wrote:
Won't do much good to look at a Plan 4026 floorplan... when MILW rebuilt the car it was a bit of heavy work... including moving the observation end to the vestibule end of the car. Plan 4026 cars had a solarium end on the opposite end of the car.
This car is not in fact the former Miloma/Old Elm Club, but rather another Miloma, 1 of 40 12S-1DR cars built by Pullman in 1910 in Lot #3787 to Plan #2477C for the MILW (both the CM&StP proper and subsidiary CM&PS; the Miloma was 1 of 28 of the 40 total owned by the CM&StP proper). This Miloma was rebuilt to business car Indiana in October 1929, so way before the previously reported rebuild date of 1955 from the incorrectly identified Miloma/Old Elm Club.

So line item #096 is now blank, as this car was not a Pullman-owned-and-operated all-steel sleeper, and therefore falls outside the purview of this list of surviving cars.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:24 pm 
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Update:
On Tuesday, December 6th, 2022, 2nd Post on Page #49, Rainier Rails wrote:
There are several other Pullmans currently in the Ozark sale listings which have been covered in this thread:

331. Lake Crystal (Lot #4725, Plan #3585/G, 10S-2C-1DR, Sunset Limited)--sold to UP (1948) to Stuhr Museum of the Prairie Pioneer (1965): https://ozarkmountainrailcar.com/railEquipment.php?itemId=3239&category=Passenger%20Equipment
This car was acquired by the Aberdeen, Carolina & Western towards the beginning of 2024.

http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=48128

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:38 pm 
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Update:
On Sunday, August 24th, 2014, 2nd Post on Page #21, Rainier Rails wrote:
Back on page #3 of this thread, I posted a link to a thread from October 2004 started by Jason Midyette regarding the histories of 4 heavyweights privately owned in Colorado: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11298

65. Canonbury Tower (Lot #4846, Plan #4090, 1925/39, 8S-1DR-3DB, ex-Point Brown)--sold to SOU #2512 (1948)

Through further research, it would appear that these cars are owned by John Birmingham-Boulder Scientific. Can anyone confirm/deny this? Thanks in advance!
On Sunday, August 24th, 2014, 5th Post on Page #21, Jason Midyette wrote:
The Centwell, Columbia College, McKinneysburg and Cannonbury Tower are owned by John Birmingham / Boulder Scientific Company. As far as I know, the Columbia College its on a siding adjacent to the BSC plant in Mead Colorado and the other three are stored at the Hudson Terminal Railroad in Hudson Colorado. (The HTR is also owned by Mr. Birmingham)
The Canonbury Tower was offered for sale for a single dollar, first come, first serve, move it off of the lot deal, due to needing to clear space where it was being stored. I do not know if any of the other cars listed in this thread that are owned by CLPX are also in need of being sold and/or moved.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:44 pm 
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On Sunday, September 21st, 2014, 3rd Post on Page #24, Rainier Rails wrote:
119. Mt. Tom (Lot #4998, Plan #3521A, 1926, 10S-buf-lng-obs, L&N)--sold to L&N (1948) rebuilt to business car #364 (1952??) sold to private owner (1972) to 2nd private owner (1982) and named Ohio River (1983) to M&E #2001 (#800228) (when??), recently listed for sale on Ozark Mountain Railcar
This car was acquired by the Aberdeen, Carolina & Western in circa 2018.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 10:51 pm 
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Update:
On Monday, January 6th, 2014, 7th Post on Page #4, Rainier Rails wrote:
Found another thread on surviving heavyweights while doing a Google search for info on the 6-3 Glen Blair:

Cars in need of assistance: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19681

Some other cars mentioned in the thread:

135. Mineral Spring (Lot #6087, Plan #3416C, 1927, 1DR-plr [28 seats], PRR)--sold to PRR #7099 (1945) to pvt. owner in Rio Grande, NJ
On Friday, December 23rd, 2022, 11th Post on Page #50, Rainier Rails wrote:
This car has undergone restoration work over the last 4 years on the Cape May Seashore Lines at Tuckahoe, NJ, and is now set up as a table car. Multiple photos of the work can be found via the Facebook account/posts below.

Exterior view: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=129922133254539&set=a.115440214702731

Before and after views: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=124110953835657&set=pcb.124113047168781
This car was moved to the Woodstown Central several months back.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
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Those were all the updates and corrections I have for cars compiled from the last two years. Full disclosure, it is entirely possible that some fell through the cracks, in fact, it wouldn't surprise me. Let's see what 2025 brings.

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 Post subject: Re: Surviving Pullman Heavyweight Sleeping Cars
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Update:
On Monday, January 6th, 2014, 7th Post on Page #4, Rainier Rails wrote:
Found another thread on surviving heavyweights while doing a Google search for info on the 6-3 Glen Blair:

Cars in need of assistance: http://www.rypn.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=19681

Some other cars mentioned in the thread:

135. Mineral Spring (Lot #6087, Plan #3416C, 1927, 1DR-plr [28 seats], PRR)--sold to PRR #7099 (1945) to pvt. owner in Rio Grande, NJ
On Friday, December 23rd, 2022, 11th Post on Page #50, Rainier Rails wrote:
This car has undergone restoration work over the last 4 years on the Cape May Seashore Lines at Tuckahoe, NJ, and is now set up as a table car. Multiple photos of the work can be found via the Facebook account/posts below.

Exterior view: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=129922133254539&set=a.115440214702731

Before and after views: https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=124110953835657&set=pcb.124113047168781
This car was moved to the Woodstown Central several months back.


Car has a new owner who is/was a registered member of this forum; I'll leave "them" to contact you to identify himself/herself if "they" so choose or if you care.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2024 10:12 pm 

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yup that is me - Woodstown Central is a good home for MINERAL SPRING where since its' arrival it has run on about 100 trains (60 Santa trains) - so it great to see the public get to enjoy this HW Pullman


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