Well, I guess if we can get out of this one with just a mild limp, we'll all be okay. Tough color, huh? LOL

Interesting though, this is the first I've seen or heard of an actual defined Caboose Red color. Beforehand, I just figured "Caboose Red" was whatever red color your red caboose was.

I'll definitely have to plan a trip to Hamburg after the museum there opens up again for the season and find out what's really going on so I hope nobody paints that caboose until then. I see some of the freight car brown is peeking out from underneath the Hersheypark Happy Black on the steps and end platforms so perhaps I can check that also.

I'm still looking at something along the lines of Chevy Coppertone as the Reading freight car brown and even if it isn't, it should be pretty close.

By the way, my son bought some Krylon Satin Brick for a project he was working on so I robbed some of it to make a sample card. The Coppertone is a hair redder and maybe a bit lighter depending on the sun angle and which eyeball is dominant...

Now, if we can trace DuPont 1024/55141 as the proper version of Ford Vermilion all the way back to 1934 and accept the data presented by PaintRef as accurate, then Ford Vermilion would be the same color as 1934 (Eleventh Series) Packard Tampico Red, Ditzler/PPG IM1412...

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail.cgi?ppg=IM1412

It's only listed as an underchassis color, however...

https://www.autocolorlibrary.com/pages/ ... ckard.html

Toward the bottom of that 1933-34 Packard sheet there's another Vermilion listed as an optional striping color. This should be the color PaintRef has listed as Flame Cardinal which is also 1930 Plymouth Extra Permanent Vermilion, IM775...

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail.cgi?ppg=IM775

Plymouth also used vermilions as striping colors in between 1929 and 1934 but unfortunately, no code numbers are given so they may match up with Extra Permanent Vermilion or they may not...

https://www.autocolorlibrary.com/pages/ ... mouth.html

https://www.autocolorlibrary.com/pages/ ... mouth.html

The Plymouth Vermilion and the Ford Vermilion aren't that much different looking at these PaintRef scans. It's hard to tell since the IM775 chip appears to be a bit dirty but there's some bright spots here and there. Included, for reference, is 1930 Pontiac Dante Red which just happens to share the same DuPont Duco code of 246-9089, Swift Red...

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetail.cgi?ppg=IM720

I'd have to say that perhaps IM775 is a bit darker than IM1412, similar to the slight difference between the Ditzler/PPG and DuPont versions of Ford Vermilion after 1949... LOL

Where this slight difference apparently manifested itself was with Carnation Red and as such, leads us directly to the DuPont code for the Ditzler/PPG version of Ford Vermilion, 93-26550...

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetai ... t=93-26550

At least we know now that DuPont cataloged both. Later on, Carnation uses DuPont 1024/55141/General Motors WE5511 which, by 1990 at least, should have been recognized as the standard for this color.

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcoded ... on+Company

Here's the matchup between Chrysler DT3039, Ditzler/PPG 70001/70538, and DuPont 26550. DuPont 660 is very close in shade but less orange...

Please, please, no more vermilion!!! LOL

Well, I don't know about Eric, but I've had about enough for now so here's a quick summary with Dodge Toreador/Brite Red on the left, Ford Vermilion in the middle, and Carnation Red on the right. The Plymouth vermilion would fall between the Ford and the milk truck while DuPont 5528 would be darker than the milk truck.

Now this is pretty darn lazy, just clipping the thumbnails off my bookmarks page...

Such an anticlimactic ending to this particular color presentation but it pretty much sucked anyway and definitely not one of my best efforts. ;)

Finally, for now, in the Imron Fire and Emergency catalog, DuPont decided to split 1024 and 55141 into two different colors although they're both still the same color.

Yeah, really...

By the way, I haven't checked the latest version of Ford Vermilion as of yet so don't ask... LOL

Just for fun just because...

Okay, how about some live-action Venetian Yellow instead? Watch the yellow pigment go in and out of saturation. This is fricking great!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8gZsRCVk_M

While I was searching around in the tractor listings for a potential Dulux 028 Red, I ran across this little major discovery. DuPont 1290 GMC Venetian Yellow also happens to be the original Hy-Dynamic Dynahoe color. Scroll down to Page 41 and you'll find it at the bottom...

http://www.rodnh.byethost12.com/misc/du ... es.pdf?i=2

The later color, DuPont 5238, is Ford Medium Goldenrod which is bit darker...

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetai ... pont=5238D

There's a lot of information on, and images of, the older Dynahoes available on the 'net so this is probably the best alternative example of Venetian Yellow out of them all.

Here we have a newer Caterpillar tracked loader equipped with pallet forks and a good ol' Dynahoe ganging-up on a Norway Spruce stump. Since the loader appears to be painted in New Cat Yellow which is very similar to 014 Imitation Gold only slightly brighter, this is an excellent demonstration of the difference between that and Venetian Yellow...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgAdaIywqLs

Last summer at Strasburg, when I initially approached the cab training models to try matching the colors again, the yellow appeared washed out with a noticeable pinkish cast to it. There, on the hub of the forward/reverse lever, that is exactly what it looked like and when I say exactly, I mean exactly... LOL

General Motors WE5902 is Morrison-Knudsen's gold color...

https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/paintdetai ... ode=WE5902

Pictures indicate WE5902 may be the same color as DuPont 5238 but I'll need to order in a 5238 chip and compare it to WE5902 from the fan deck in order to be absolutely sure so I suppose we'll just have to wait on that.

WE5902 is about the same hue but darker than Imitation Gold, WE5903, and New Cat Yellow, WE5904...

Got a little carried away with the Tyco model over in Hostler's recent thread concerning Reading steam colors but hey, the results were making me all excited...

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=48602

Okay, since I've already referenced this drawing in two other conversations so far, I figured I'd best get around to scanning and posting the NEa paint diagram with the Sherwin-Williams color codes for the 1962 green and yellow from Mr. Hall's caboose book, so here it is...

Notice there is no differentiation between the Reading Yellow and the Safety Always Lemon Yellow on that particular diagram. That's because when the cars were delivered, there wasn't any...

Just in case anyone lost track of the big list of railroad paint codes as compiled by Eric, it is currently located here on the HDPaintCode site...

https://hdpaintcode.com/files/railroad- ... ns-llc.pdf

The way I see it now, both 254-54015, the pale golden ochre Imitation Gold (as opposed to the B&O and CNJ's darker yellow ochre 95-014 and 254-54292 Imitation Gold) and 254-54388 Lackawanna Yellow are the same color as 93-1290 GMC Venetian Yellow along the C&O's 254-35621 which is specifically labeled as Venetian Yellow. The DRGW's Aspen/Grande Gold, 254-6479, is still messing me up since the Reading's yellow is not quite as dark or orange. GMC Inca Gold, 93-20526, remains the best candidate for that particular color for the moment as it tends to appear to be more like an orange ochre instead of a yellow ochre but they look very similar when not as saturated.

According to Mr. Strack, the Rio Grande actually used two yellows prior to Aspen/Grande Gold. The first one, being a yellow ochre which he calls Duco Gold, should be the same as 014 Imitation Gold while the second lighter and more yellow color would be same as Venetian Yellow...

https://utahrails.net/drgw/rg-diesel-paint-schemes.php

I do know now what color Tyco finished their Rio Grande four-black-stripe F-9 in and it wasn't the more correct color like on the caboose. Also, we now have an alternative example of Inca Gold on a Highway 61 1946 GMC grain truck model. With this color, I'll take what I can get... LOL

So here's a question we can all ask ourselves. Since the Lackawanna used the same yellow as the Reading, is the Pullmanesque olive green the same color as well?

Oh looky, there's one of those darn Train Masters hogging up the picture again...

As an extra added bonus, we've got the DuPont Duco Regatta Red chip now as well...