Tires for 3254 back at Steamtown

Patrick McKnight · **Posted:** Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:46 pm

Just saw, this morning, the tires for the 3254 being unloaded from a truck at Steamtown. I know there was a little interest in the past on this board on the subject.

Patrick McKnight
Historian, Steamtown NHS

pat_mcknight@nps.gov

John Prescott · **Posted:** Tue Apr 06, 2004 11:59 am

Patrick,
Yes there was interest in this topic. Thanks for the update.
Do you know where the tires came from?
I assume the "ring of fire" to attache them will be performed at Steamtown, correct?

John Prescott
> Just saw, this morning, the tires for the
> 3254 being unloaded from a truck at
> Steamtown. I know there was a little
> interest in the past on this board on the
> subject.

> Patrick McKnight
> Historian, Steamtown NHS

bigboy4884@charter.net

Patrick McKnight · **Posted:** Tue Apr 06, 2004 12:15 pm

The tires were fixed at TVRM. This has been an ongoing issue since the 3254 can't run without them.

The next question is when the 3254 will run again? Can't say for sure since I do not work on the locomotives (even if I did I couldn't tell you probably), but when I see it under steam again I'll let everyone know.

Pat

pat_mcknight@nps.gov

G. W. Laepple · **Posted:** Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:02 pm

> The tires were fixed at TVRM. This has been
> an ongoing issue since the 3254 can't run
> without them.

> The next question is when the 3254 will run
> again? Can't say for sure since I do not
> work on the locomotives (even if I did I
> couldn't tell you probably), but when I see
> it under steam again I'll let everyone know.

> Pat

Actually, what returned to Steamtown were the drivers on their axles. They went to Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum's shop in Chattanooga, where the old, worn tires were removed and several hundred cracks in the driver centers were welded up. Then the wheels were turned and new spacers welded in place before the new tires were applied. Then the drivers were turned and the pins were quartered. The repaired wheel sets and old tires, plus the driving boxes, left TVRM Friday and showed up in Scranton Monday.

K4s1361@hotmail.com

Bruce Manwiller · **Posted:** Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:03 pm

> Actually, what returned to Steamtown were
> the drivers on their axles. They went to
> Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum's shop in
> Chattanooga, where the old, worn tires were
> removed and several hundred cracks in the
> driver centers were welded up. Then the
> wheels were turned and new spacers welded in
> place before the new tires were applied.
> Then the drivers were turned and the pins
> were quartered. The repaired wheel sets and
> old tires, plus the driving boxes, left TVRM
> Friday and showed up in Scranton Monday.

Is there a reason why 3254 isn't wearing sister 3377's "zero mileage" wheelset? Last time I looked, 3377's tires showed only the scratches acquired during towing from Canada to Bellows Falls, and then to Scranton.

bruceman2@earthlink.net

Howard P. · **Posted:** Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:49 pm

> Actually, what returned to Steamtown were
> the drivers on their axles. They went to
> Tennessee Valley Railroad Museum's shop in
> Chattanooga, where the old, worn tires were
> removed and several hundred cracks in the
> driver centers were welded up. Then the
> wheels were turned and new spacers welded in
> place before the new tires were applied.
> Then the drivers were turned and the pins
> were quartered. The repaired wheel sets and
> old tires, plus the driving boxes, left TVRM
> Friday and showed up in Scranton Monday.

Does anyone have any idea how expensive that work was? Not looking for the price to the last penny, but a reasonable idea of what it costs to have TVRM do that sort of work. I'd like to know for a possible future project. If those who know wish, contact me off-line.

hpincus@mindspring.com

al zubal · **Posted:** Tue Apr 06, 2004 9:43 pm

Pat
Thank You for the information
Al

azubal@nycap.rr.com

Joshua K. Blay · **Posted:** Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:23 pm

What's on the canteen, to the left of the MILW herald?

Thanks!

Joshua

Photo

Chris Jacks · **Posted:** Sun Jun 27, 2004 11:46 pm

> What's on the canteen, to the left of the
> MILW herald?

When I saw the engine yesterday it was an advertisement for a company in Rock Island called something like "Woodworker's Alliance". This company is all over downtown Rock Island. Does anyone remember the exact name?

Chris Jacks.

christrainmanNOSPAM@yahoo.com

Steam Fan · **Posted:** Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:01 pm

Does anyone out there have any idea what ever happened to the Cagneys 15" gauge locos that ran at the Toledo Zoo. I have contacted the zoo but no luck there.

John Cloos · **Posted:** Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:48 pm

As an addendum to the above request,, anyone have any knowledge or information about the former steamers at Chicago's Brookfield Zoo ?
The trains were taken out many years ago, and my information is that the steamers were put into storage with the Chicago Park District,, but no one (to my knowledge) has seen anything of them since.

John C

Cliff McKay · **Posted:** Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:10 pm

> As an addendum to the above request,, anyone
> have any knowledge or information about the
> former steamers at Chicago's Brookfield Zoo
> ?
> The trains were taken out many years ago,
> and my information is that the steamers were
> put into storage with the Chicago Park
> District,, but no one (to my knowledge) has
> seen anything of them since.

> John C

Here's one of them.

http://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=3898
mckay1995@comcast.net

Jim Robinson · **Posted:** Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:11 pm

> As an addendum to the above request,, anyone
> have any knowledge or information about the
> former steamers at Chicago's Brookfield Zoo
> ?
> The trains were taken out many years ago,
> and my information is that the steamers were
> put into storage with the Chicago Park
> District,, but no one (to my knowledge) has
> seen anything of them since.

The former Brookfield Zoo equipment is now at the LaPorte County Historical Steam Society's "Hesston Steam Museum" at Hesston, IN. See the below link for a recent photo (by Tim Bainter) of the ex-Brookfield Zoo Sandley-built 2-4-2 242 at the Museum. This photo is one of many on Tim Boshart's website. Other photos show the ex-Brookfield Zoo 2-8-2, which was a Sandley rebuild of a Jung (German) outside-frame 0-8-0 "Feldbahn" locomotive chassis. I believe this equipment is to be evaluated for future restoration to service on the museum's dual gauge (2' and 3') railroad.

Regards,
Jim Robinson

Brookfield Zoo 242 @ Hesston

Ed Kelley · **Posted:** Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:48 pm

In addition to the rebuilt "Brigadelok" 0-8-0 reboilered and Americanized and the new 2-4-2, they also have the SW-style engine built from a Chance Rides chassis. A 2-4-4 for the zoo which was never completed and delivered was sold after spending many years in the back of the Sandley shop in Wisconsin Dells. It is supposedly to get rebuilt at the Merrick Light Railway shop in Marshall, WI.

Also be sure and read the articles on the Brookfield Zoo engines at DiscoverLiveSteam.com (e-magazine back issues).

-Ed Kelley

GTNGRR@aol.com

Michael Allen · **Posted:** Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:30 pm

I don't know about any 15" gauge line at the Toledo Zoo. In the 1950's they had a 12" gauge system that used Ottaway 4-4-0's. I've got family movies from the mid 1950's showing the Ottaway running with a length of pipe stuck in the stack to get the smoke up above the engineer's face! They also had a diesel F-unit, but it was stored when we visited.

trainrider47@aol.com