I was not expressing any loyality to the NYC or any other line. I was just correcting the record. They may have been terrible stewards of their history, but they did donate these two items, as well as the #999 to the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago. That's all I am saying. Their failure to save a Hudson or Niagara is as obvious as it is unfortunate, but to say they did absolutely nothing is not correct.

rdgoldfede@aol.com

As much as we lament the loss of NYC Hudson and Niagras NYC engines have fared better then DL&W and certainly better then D&H, LV, NH, etc.

NYC- 4-8-2 (2), 0-6-0, (2), 4-6-0, 2-8-0 (2), 4-4-2, 0-4-0 (replica)

DL&W- 4-4-0, 2-6-0

D&H- 0-4-0 (replica)

LV, NH- None

Joshua

Great picture. I wonder what happened to that tender and how she got mated to the B&M tender she is with today?

Rob

Howabout we all take the Jerry O'Brien down to Australia on her triple expansions? No shortage of engine room personnel. Massive steam tour of Oz after arrival. Maybe about 25 or 30 of us...now if we can only convince the government it is part of rebuilding Iraq we can get it entirely funded.

Ted, can you set it up?

dave

irondave@bellsouth.net

For the record, the LV did attempt to donate one of their almost new 4-8-4 Wyomings, to Sayre, for display in the park across from the Sayre station (no longer a park)
Sayre turned them down, they didnt want it,
so it went to scrap with the rest of them..

the LV inspection engine "Dorothy" was also saved, for awhile. it was privately owned,(not sure how he aquired it from the LV) but the owner died, and his widow donated the engine to a WWII scrap drive.

as far as I know, those are the only 2 LV engines, steam or diesel, that were ever attempted to be rpeserved by the railroad.
Today 3 LV diesels are officically "preserved".
not one single steam engine survived.

Scot


sscotsman@yahoo.com

> DL&W- 4-4-0, 2-6-0

Add the DL&W lokie from Wanamie to the list. She was technically DL&W, as she came before the coal ops were spun-off.

> LV, NH- None

Isn't there an ancient NH 4-4-0 in St. Louis?

A couple of notes about these cars -
They are deteriorating badly and need to be saved soon.
The owner has finally started parting with them, a couple were recently sold to private individuals and moved.

Boyd

bowens@rypn.org

> Isn't there an ancient NH 4-4-0 in St. Louis?

It depends on how you look at it. It was built for the Boston and Providence Railroad and (as I understand it) taken out of service before the New Haven ultimately absorbed the B+P. Why and how it was saved, I do not know.


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elecuyer@maptech.com

Ron, was P&R inspection engine "Black Diamond" at MOT donated by the Rdg. Co. ?

Electric City Trolley Museum Association

I penned a stock "form letter" for a certain individual's use below; thinking about it leads to the question:

What is the weirdest or most unusual request (informational or operational) your operation has ever received?

Perhaps the most unusual the Maryland Rail Heritage Library has received so far was an engineer searching for construction plans that could show what thickness the substructure under the Baltimore streetcar rail on a railroad overpass was. It sounds disgustingly trivial--until one hears that the overpass's replacement was delayed for months because the demolition crew found twice as much material to remove as anticipated, and various parties were suing each other as a result.

So let's hear it. Ever been asked to run a train at 3 in the morning? Ever been asked to cremate a person in the firebox, or send a person's ashes through the firebox and boiler? Been asked what train went through such-and-such town on August 18, 1883? Been asked to jump a train Evel Knievel style?


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