Where?, When, What?

BWS · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 1:13 am

Found this on a sales brochure.

Not easily able to put it up here; maybe someone can do it?

http://www.pronto.com.au/files/ULZAONIZYP/0657_Supply.pdf

Bob Yarger · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:14 am

Anyone else having problems with Adobe Reader? Mine used to work ok, but now only puts up a blank gray rectangle in the center of the screen. I have removed and re-downloaded the program at least a couple of times to no avail. Similar problems with Active-X. Keeps me from reading lots of documents like the one linked above.

ryarger@rypn.org

Ed Fritz · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 9:58 am

> Anyone else having problems with Adobe
> Reader? Mine used to work ok, but now only
> puts up a blank gray rectangle in the center
> of the screen. I have removed and
> re-downloaded the program at least a couple
> of times to no avail. Similar problems with
> Active-X. Keeps me from reading lots of
> documents like the one linked above.

If you are using a "company" machine, the IT shop may have set the security on the browser on HIGH which blocks downloads and most of the ActiveX activities. There was a particularly bad trojan code two weeks ago. While IE has taken a lot of heat, this particular problem affects all browsers. The fix isn't complete and Microsoft has recommended that all browsers be set on HIGH security. If your IT shop has "Policy Edited" your machine there is no work around for the user except to as the IT shop to put RyPN in as a "Trusted Site."

The engine in the PDF appears to be a high drivered Mongol or perhaps a Praire, with the number 3318. Couldn't see any RR markings and there is a second engine behind the first. Number didn't match any of the sequences for the Santa Fe of those driver types.

Ed

ff1044@aol.com

G. Jenista · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:02 am

> Anyone else having problems with Adobe
> Reader? Mine used to work ok, but now only
> puts up a blank gray rectangle in the center
> of the screen.

The download worked for me with Adobe Reader 6.0.

As to BWS's question[s], are you asking about the date/location of the photo on the brochure cover? It doesn't look at all familiar to me.

hi_plain@yahoo.com

Ed Fritz · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:10 am

Also, while I don't use an XP machine, if you have the Auto Update checked, MS may have changed your security setting for you. To check, got to "Tools" tab, select, "Internet Options," then select "Security." If the little slider in the lower left hand corner of the diolog box is set on "High," there is you problem. If you move it to "Medium" it fix many of your following link problems though not all.

Ed

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Gavin Hamilton · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:45 am

> Found this on a sales brochure.

Looks like two 2-8-0's of the same class. The details are interesting - knuckle couplers with oil lamps, indeed the front coupler appears to be pivoted to lift up if anything hits it. Single air pump, "funny" stack, piston valves and a general air of newness - and a rectangular builders plate. Not being anything like an expert on US RR's I won't speculate on the line but I'd put the date around 1895 - 1910 period.....

G

gavin@hamilton.powernet.co.uk

Dan Rohrback · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:39 pm

> Looks like two 2-8-0's of the same class.
> The details are interesting - knuckle
> couplers with oil lamps, indeed the front
> coupler appears to be pivoted to lift up if
> anything hits it. Single air pump,
> "funny" stack, piston valves and a
> general air of newness - and a rectangular
> builders plate. Not being anything like an
> expert on US RR's I won't speculate on the
> line but I'd put the date around 1895 - 1910
> period.....

> G

I noticed that the sales information refers to a company named 'Pronto Software' of Victoria, Australia. Possibly these are Australian locomotives?
Dan

dan-rohrback@cox.net

Ed Fritz · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 12:57 pm

> Looks like two 2-8-0's of the same class.
> The details are interesting - knuckle
> couplers with oil lamps, indeed the front
> coupler appears to be pivoted to lift up if
> anything hits it. Single air pump,
> "funny" stack, piston valves and a
> general air of newness - and a rectangular
> builders plate. Not being anything like an
> expert on US RR's I won't speculate on the
> line but I'd put the date around 1895 - 1910
> period.....

After looking at it again, you're right, it's a 2-8-0. The "tip-up" coupler appears to be so they could use a link and pin coupler of which the link which is resting on on the front of the pilot. Piston valves would place it pretty much after 1900 and more likely as a rebuild after 1920, IMHO.

Ed

ff1044@aol.com

James Hefner · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:12 pm

> The engine in the PDF appears to be a high
> drivered Mongol or perhaps a Praire, with
> the number 3318. Couldn't see any RR
> markings and there is a second engine behind
> the first. Number didn't match any of the
> sequences for the Santa Fe of those driver
> types.

Notice that the company is based out of Australia; it is quite possibly an Australian or New Zealand engine. Both countries purchased large amounts of American equipment, and some railways used similiar couplers instead of buffers as well.

The states that make up Australia had different guages at one time; ranging from 3ft 6in to 5ft 3in. The engine in the picture appears to be either standard guage or maybe the broad guage, and of American construction.

I'm going to go out on a limb, and guess it was a South Australian Railways train. But, I have no survivors in my database that match that description; so it is just a guess only.

-James Hefner
Hebrews 10:20a

Surviving World Steam Project
james@survivingworldsteam.com

Bob Yarger · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 4:13 pm

Viola! Got rid of Reader 6.0 and downloaded 5.1 and it works again. The locomotives are 2-8-0s of the Burlington & Missouri River. These would later become D4A class on the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy. No. 3318, the leader, would later become CB&Q 3127, retired in January of 1933. They were built in Schenectady in 1903.

ryarger@rypn.org

Thenks Bob - I knew it wa · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:43 pm

Mainly because I am!!

Nice sharp photo - I'd guess the software mob were just looking for a nice train pic.

> Viola! Got rid of Reader 6.0 and downloaded
> 5.1 and it works again. The locomotives are
> 2-8-0s of the Burlington & Missouri
> River. These would later become D4A class on
> the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy. No.
> 3318, the leader, would later become
> CB&Q 3127, retired in January of 1933.
> They were built in Schenectady in 1903.

BWS · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:55 pm

Ye gods, I've accidentally renamed myself!

> Mainly because I am!!

> Nice sharp photo - I'd guess the software
> mob were just looking for a nice train pic.

Pete · **Posted:** Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:14 am

> Anyone else having problems with Adobe
> Reader? Mine used to work ok, but now only
> puts up a blank gray rectangle in the center
> of the screen. I have removed and
> re-downloaded the program at least a couple
> of times to no avail. Similar problems with
> Active-X. Keeps me from reading lots of
> documents like the one linked above.

This is the infamous colorspace error. There are two instances of colorspaces defined in the file (Cs8 is one of them) which must be replaced. Clip from a cmd file I have which fixes the problem (makes the file viewable with Reader 3.0):
Replaced with /DeviceCMYK
Replaced with /DeviceRGB
Adobe made a "mistake" in Distiller 4.xx, and this file was created by Distiller 4.05 for Macintosh on 3/2/03. Any version of the reader 4.05 and up should ignore this problem.

Document security says "Printing not allowed", but this doesn't seem to be the case. It might be A4 size, and sometimes this won't print on letter sized paper