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 Post subject: Lost locomotives in California and Oregon?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 3:51 pm 

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From the rumorweb discussion list:

"Okay, here are the rumors as I recall them.

#1: There is a lost locomotive on the south bank of the Klamath
River, overlooking the Klamath River Canyon.

Report A: Oregon State Police Lieutenant, since deceased, told my
brother he found this loco while out hunting. It was in the vicinity
of Dorris and Topsy Grade, on the south side of the river, and you
could see the canyon from where the locomotive sat. There were trees
growing up next to the locomotive.

Report B: A former Klamath Falls resident, who was also an avid
hunter, gave almost the exact same description to me. He said it was a
Baldwin rod engine and had trees growing up against it. He located the
locomotive on a map, on a hill top overlooking Iron Gate reservoir,
where there never was any sort of railroad. Haven't yet followed this
lead, as I am pretty sure it is a dud.

Report C: A former Dorris resident told my brother that when he was a
boy in Dorris, he saw the locomotive. He said he was able to ride his
horse there and back in a day.

Report D: Bob Edgar, a prominent Dorris resident who collects
railroad and sawmill junk, has scoured the region over a period of 40
years without finding a locomotive. He reports that it is a
"confirmed rumor" with his tongue in his cheek. Either he knows where
it is and isn't talking, or he thinks it is a bunch of moondust.

Plausability: The Kesterson Lumber Co. built a line north out of
Dorris into Oregon, and they projected a branch line around the
Chicken Hill and down the Klamath River Canyon, which was partially
built. I have followed this old grade as far as possible until I lost
it due to modern road construction and heavy forest growth. It is
possible, though unlikely, that there could be a loco back in there.
The site near Iron Gate is completely unlikely location for a grade or
a locomotive.

Verdict: Existance possible but unlikely.

#2: There is a logging engine on display at MacDoel, right by the
highway. (Found in a publication on Lost Locomotives of North America)
Variation: There used to be a logging engine alongside the highway
at MacDoel, CA., but it has recently vanished. Some parts of the
truck are still there (told to me personally by the USFS ranger at
Goosenest Ranger Station).

The Facts: Both rumors used to be true but no longer are. The
Peppers-Cotton lumber Co. built a standard guage line from MacDoel,
south of Meiss Lake, to the foot of the mountains. They then build a
30" tramway (the existance of which was forgotten until I personally
discovered it about three years ago) from their mill site down to the
railroad. They went bankrupt and sold the mill and railroad to the
Standard Lumber Co., which extended the line in a half loop through
the mill site and up the mountain to a logging chute. Peppers-Cotton
evidently used an old 4-4-0 rod engine, and Standard Lbr. Co.
inherited this and also put on a geared loco - probably a Shay. Years
later, the Walker Hovey Lumber Co. built an extension south from the
edge of the hills, up the mountainside. They used both the rod and
geared engines. When they finished, the engines were parked in
MacDoel, alongside the highway, and abandoned.

A friend of Jack Bowden (author of Lumbering In Klamath, a book I
recommend) photographed the two locomotive in MacDoel in 1937! He
says that the next year when he went back, 1938, the engines had been
scrapped. I have seen his pictures, and have no reason to doubt that
this is the true story.

Verdict: Once true, but engines scrapped in 1938, and the resulting
rumors are just bad scholarship.

#3 There is a locomotive - a Shay - near Grass Lake, California, that
fell off a trestle into a canyon and was so badly damaged it was left
where it lay. Variant A - the lost locomotive is on the northeast
side of Goosenest Mountain.

I haven't given up on this rumor yet, however, I have driven every
road on Goosenest without finding any traces of a railroad grade on
the northeast flank, and without finding a locomotive. Jack Bowden
and I have gotten in on the old railroad grades behind Grass Lake and
checked out quite a few of them, concentrating on ravines where the
line might have crossed on trestles. We were unable to find any
trestle sites, much less locos at the foot of them. However, there
are a few branches we have not yet checked out. There is an
interesting logging camp site on a saddle between the NE flank of
Goosenest and the mountain to the south, and the possibility of grade
there under the road, but it seems to end. The road continues on, but
there would have had to have been an impossible trestle for the
railroad to have continued on.

Verdict: Possible, but unlikely. The geography of the country
presents few opportunities for trestling. Most of the railroad grade
is driveable, and has no trestle sites. There could be an obscure
branch with a trestle site - and locomotive. If so, I have not yet
found it...

So, those are the three separate lost locomotive rumors regarding the
Dorris area - pretty amazing to have three within thirty miles of each
other. I noticed that on the rumorweb site that the three reports got
scrambled into one entry, so I hope this clarifies things a bit. Of
course, if anybody really knows where the locos are, I am willing to
be shown! Lead me to them!

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