Better late than never.....
Here is a link to a page with photos of the ex-Blue Mountain & Reading E units.

http://www.geocities.com/mrcooltrains/PRR_Es
sfreer@tvrail.com

> Better late than never.....
> Here is a link to a page with photos of the
> ex-Blue Mountain & Reading E units.

Steven -

Interesting photos. Good to see the units again after 15(?)years. Thanks again for remembering and posting - much appreciated.

Todd Mullens


MullensTKMS@aol.com

This doesn't have much to do with this thread, but I was very intrigued by that photo of the PRR E-unit on the St. Louis Iron Mountain & Southern. The reason is that the car it's pulling is an ex-Illinois Central electric MU commuter car. StLIM&S has two of them, but I know virtually nothing about these cars. Does anyone have numbers and/or other information?

Goop

> This doesn't have much to do with this
> thread, but I was very intrigued by that
> photo of the PRR E-unit on the St. Louis
> Iron Mountain & Southern. The reason is
> that the car it's pulling is an ex-Illinois
> Central electric MU commuter car.
> StLIM&S has two of them, but I know
> virtually nothing about these cars. Does
> anyone have numbers and/or other
> information?
Frank,
I believe that these cars were owned by the Crab Orchard and Egyptian. They went to their present location with the nifty little 2-4-2.
Don

old_fxrs@msn.com

Although I wasn't focusing on the coaches, I was able to decipher the number of the car just behind the loco as #1345. Also, #5 (the 2-4-2) was out of service undergoing some sort of maintenance. The loco and tender were separated back in June. The StLIM&S also has (in rather decrepit condition) a 2-6-0 numbered as the 300 and named "R.T.Hughes". Anyone know where it came from?


sfreer@tvrail.com

The 2-6-0 was said to be built for the Virginia Central, but resold by Alco to the Arkansas RR. It later went to the Augusta RR in Arkansas and was made somewhat famous by being in Beebe's Mixed Train Daily book. It sat many years in the park at Paragould, Arkansas, becoming very derelict, before going to the St.LIM&S. Do you have recent photos? We did a piece on this engine in L&RP some years ago.

Although I wasn't focusing on the coaches, I
> was able to decipher the number of the car
> just behind the loco as #1345. Also, #5 (the
> 2-4-2) was out of service undergoing some
> sort of maintenance. The loco and tender
> were separated back in June. The StLIM&S
> also has (in rather decrepit condition) a
> 2-6-0 numbered as the 300 and named
> "R.T.Hughes". Anyone know where it
> came from?


bobyar2001@yahoo.com

This locomotive was recently (as in up to a few weeks ago) on the DF Barnhart website for sale. Looked rather decrepit, with the tender sitting off trucks in the weeds and the locomotive being coupled up to even more decrepit cars. I checked the website and its not listed now. It was in obviously rough shape.

Speaking of Moguls, does anyone know the disposition of the engine from the Narragansett Pier Railroad, after 1980? I think it was an Alco-Cooke, numbered 11.



PARKTRAINS DISCUSSION GROUP

> Speaking of Moguls, does anyone know the
> disposition of the engine from the
> Narragansett Pier Railroad, after 1980? I
> think it was an Alco-Cooke, numbered 11.
It's at Middletown, NY on the property of the Midletown and New Jersey RR. I believe it is the private property of Mr. Pierre Rasmussen. It is a "catalog" engine and was also used on the Bath and Hammondsport Rwy.


Park Trains
keith.h.taylor@att.net

> The 2-6-0 was said to be built for the
> Virginia Central, but resold by Alco to the
> Arkansas RR. It later went to the Augusta RR
> in Arkansas and was made somewhat famous by
> being in Beebe's Mixed Train Daily book. It
> sat many years in the park at Paragould,
> Arkansas, becoming very derelict, before
> going to the St.LIM&S. Do you have
> recent photos? We did a piece on this engine
> in L&RP some years ago.

Bob:

I question your statement that the 300 was in Lucius Beebe's MIXED TRAIN DAILY book. I dug out my copy of Mr. Beebe's famous book and did find that an Augusta Railroad steam locomotive WAS pictured; but I do not believe it was Mogul #300. Mr. Beebe states in the caption to the book photo that it was a "dummy" engine. If you look closely at Charles Clegg's photo, the engine appears to be a four drivered engine (not six drivered) and with at least a two wheel trailing truck, indicating that the engine could very well have been a "forney" type locomotive, which were often labelled as "dummy" engines. Also, when Mr. Beebe was there, he references the fact that the Augusta Railroad had just had its single locomotive painted with the legend that it was "The Worlds Smallest Railroad" (due to the fact that it was only two miles long) and this would have been on its OPERABLE locomotive and not the engine pictured in the book (which was shown languishing "forgotten in a shed." That referenced operable locomotive was almost certainly #300 and NOT the engine pictured in Beebe's book.

BTW, Number 300 was one of the ALCO (COOKE WORKS) "standard plan" locomotives that were designed for the Cuban sugar industry. Due to a downturn in the islands economy in the 1920's, many of these engines that were built for stock, were not sold there and ended up instead being sold to short lines and industrial users in the U.S.A. Number 300 was originally set to go to the Virginia Central but was resold by ALCO to the Arkansas Railroad. She eventually ended up on the Augusta.

Her present status on the StLIM&S is sad. Perhaps she belongs in a musuem that could at least cosmetically restore her.

midlandblb@cs.com

I think you are right. Perhaps No. 300 was pictured in one of the Joe Collias steam books instead. The Augusta RR folded for a time when No. 300 was condemned by the ICC inspector, but was restarted with two four-wheel diesels, which now belong to the Fort Smith trolley group. I believe the track remained until the late-1980s, but has since been removed.

Bob:

> I question your statement that the 300 was
> in Lucius Beebe's MIXED TRAIN DAILY book. I
> dug out my copy of Mr. Beebe's famous book
> and did find that an Augusta Railroad steam
> locomotive WAS pictured; but I do not
> believe it was Mogul #300. Mr. Beebe states
> in the caption to the book photo that it was
> a "dummy" engine. If you look
> closely at Charles Clegg's photo, the engine
> appears to be a four drivered engine (not
> six drivered) and with at least a two wheel
> trailing truck, indicating that the engine
> could very well have been a
> "forney" type locomotive, which
> were often labelled as "dummy"
> engines. Also, when Mr. Beebe was there, he
> references the fact that the Augusta
> Railroad had just had its single locomotive
> painted with the legend that it was
> "The Worlds Smallest Railroad"
> (due to the fact that it was only two miles
> long) and this would have been on its
> OPERABLE locomotive and not the engine
> pictured in the book (which was shown
> languishing "forgotten in a shed."
> That referenced operable locomotive was
> almost certainly #300 and NOT the engine
> pictured in Beebe's book.

> BTW, Number 300 was one of the ALCO (COOKE
> WORKS) "standard plan" locomotives
> that were designed for the Cuban sugar
> industry. Due to a downturn in the islands
> economy in the 1920's, many of these engines
> that were built for stock, were not sold
> there and ended up instead being sold to
> short lines and industrial users in the
> U.S.A. Number 300 was originally set to go
> to the Virginia Central but was resold by
> ALCO to the Arkansas Railroad. She
> eventually ended up on the Augusta.

> Her present status on the StLIM&S is
> sad. Perhaps she belongs in a musuem that
> could at least cosmetically restore her.


bobyar2001@yahoo.com

> I think you are right. Perhaps No. 300 was
> pictured in one of the Joe Collias steam
> books instead. The Augusta RR folded for a
> time when No. 300 was condemned by the ICC
> inspector, but was restarted with two
> four-wheel diesels, which now belong to the
> Fort Smith trolley group. I believe the
> track remained until the late-1980s, but has
> since been removed.

Bob:

Here is another question for you (or for anyone who might know the answer.) In my copy of J. David Conrad's THE STEAM LOCOMOTIVE DIRECTORY OF NORTH AMERICA Vol 2, I have pencilled in a note on the entry for Augusta RR 2-6-0 #300:

"Stone Mountain Granite #300 (1934)"

I don't know why I did this (I think it is the only pencilled notation I made in either of the two volumes of Conrad's book!) My GUESS is that I saw a photo of this SMG #300 somewhere and thought that it looked like the Augusta engine (and with the number being the same....) My question is this; does anyone know if Stone Mountain Granite Company HAD such a locomotive in 1934? IF so, could it have been this same Virginia Central/Arkansas RR/Augusta RR locomotive? (Please note that neither Dave Conrad nor Walter Lucas, who authored an article on the Cooke "Sugar" Locomotives, shows Stone Mountain Granite as owning the engine.) But IF in fact it WAS the same engine, then STONE MOUNTAIN SCENIC (which used a good portion of the Stone Mountain Granite Company railroad R-O-W when they built their loop around the whole mountain), might perhaps be interested in cosmetically restoring the engine because of the historic tie in to their site. Or if not Stone Mountain Scenic, then perhaps some other railroad museum in Georgia might be interested in this Georgia locomotive.

Of course, I MAY just have had a "senior moment" when I made that pencilled inscription in Conrads book, in which case...NEVER MIND!


midlandblb@cs.com

Here is a link to photos of the StLIMS locomotives.

http://www.geocities.com/mrcooltrains/StLIMS
sfreer@tvrail.com

I recall something about Stone Mountain re: that locomotive also, but cannot remember what. Perhaps a Georgia historian can help..

> Bob:

> Here is another question for you (or for
> anyone who might know the answer.) In my
> copy of J. David Conrad's THE STEAM
> LOCOMOTIVE DIRECTORY OF NORTH AMERICA Vol 2,
> I have pencilled in a note on the entry for
> Augusta RR 2-6-0 #300:

> "Stone Mountain Granite #300
> (1934)"

> I don't know why I did this (I think it is
> the only pencilled notation I made in either
> of the two volumes of Conrad's book!) My
> GUESS is that I saw a photo of this SMG #300
> somewhere and thought that it looked like
> the Augusta engine (and with the number
> being the same....) My question is this;
> does anyone know if Stone Mountain Granite
> Company HAD such a locomotive in 1934? IF
> so, could it have been this same Virginia
> Central/Arkansas RR/Augusta RR locomotive?
> (Please note that neither Dave Conrad nor
> Walter Lucas, who authored an article on the
> Cooke "Sugar" Locomotives, shows
> Stone Mountain Granite as owning the
> engine.) But IF in fact it WAS the same
> engine, then STONE MOUNTAIN SCENIC (which
> used a good portion of the Stone Mountain
> Granite Company railroad R-O-W when they
> built their loop around the whole mountain),
> might perhaps be interested in cosmetically
> restoring the engine because of the historic
> tie in to their site. Or if not Stone
> Mountain Scenic, then perhaps some other
> railroad museum in Georgia might be
> interested in this Georgia locomotive.

> Of course, I MAY just have had a
> "senior moment" when I made that
> pencilled inscription in Conrads book, in
> which case...NEVER MIND!


bobyar2001@yahoo.com

Wasn't this engine for sale a short while back on DF Barnhardt's web site? I think they were asking $28k for it.

Did it sell or did they change their minds?

NC&StL Preservation Society
drew@ncps-576.org