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 Post subject: Re: PRR 4800
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 5:50 pm 

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Yes, #4882 at the Nat'l NYC Museum is in PC paint, but according to the website it's supposed to be returned to PRR colors. I agree it makes more sense in PC colors at a New York Central museum.


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 Post subject: Re: PRR 4800
PostPosted: Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:51 pm 

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IF it's the only one painted as Penn Central, perhaps "clueing them in" to that fact might keep it so painted and lettered.

Les


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 Post subject: Re: PRR 4800
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:10 am 

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So do I. I enjoyed the 1970's. Especially the SOU steam program. I saw two Apollo-Saturn V launches from the Cape.
I made my first visits to the west coast, my first visit to the Sierra RR, my first visit to the Colorado Narrow gauges.
My first visit to Strassburg, PA, my only visit to Edaville and so much more.
With faimily members who worked for the PC/CR (started on PRR), I has several impromtu tous of Enola Yards.
I also enjoyed ABBA and John Denver < grin >.

Also, here's a post I put on the Yahoo Southern Rwy group:

Hi,
I was going through junk boxes throwing away items that were just not
worth keeping. I had planned a ride on the Southern Crescent the week
before its original "final run" circa 1978-9. As it turned out, the
final run was postponed about 6-9 months to allow Amtrak negotiations
to have time to complete. This was when Southern ran her triweekly
beyond Atlanta to New Orlenes. I got my parents to allow me to ride
coach north from Atlanta to Charlotte and sleeper from Charlotte to
Birmingham where I met my parents and sister and we drove back to
Atlanta. Mom, being from a PRR railroad family thought it would be
great. We did not have the money for everyone to go, but I did enjoy
the ride thanks to Mom (by the way, Mom is the one who stood for
3-hours in the John Denver ticket line for me so I could go see him. I
had Ga Tech finals that day so she substituted for me in line).
I had planned to purchase a car for each one that was in any one of
the train consists. I made notes (originals which I have yet to locate).
The consist I present here was in my HO scale notes for the trains. I
still have 12 Model Power E-9's waiting for Southern colors.
Unfortunately, after I graduated in 1980 from Ga Tech, they were
packed away and dragged around. Four of them have broken parts and
might not be repairable any more.
I have a few photos from the ride but a pocket instamatic is no where
near a good camera.
In Charlotte, I was counting floor tiles to get an idea of the station
size. When I was finished, I met a gentleman who introduced himself as
a former Crescent Engineer and I had an enjoyable talk with him.
I hope the consist might be interesting to some of you.
Thanks for letting me share a pleasant memory with you.
Doug

Southern Crescent - 1979.

Northbound - Atlanta to Charlotte
E-units - 6904, 6910k, 6908w, 6914p
Pacolet River - 2048 / 10-6 sleeper - crew
Rapidan River - 2010 / 10-6 sleeper - crew
combine - 711
coach - 820, 827, 834, 836
Crescent Moon - 2352 / lounge
diner - 3311
Enoree River - 2004 / 10-6 sleeper
Royal Arch - 2362 / 11 bedroom - ex-observation
Shenandoah River - 2014 / 10-6 sleeper
coach - 821, 825
Tagalo River - 2019 / 10-6 sleeper
business cars - 7, 19

Southbound - Charlotte to Atlanta
E-units - 6903, 6905, 6915, 6913
South Carolina - 766 / crew - dorm - baggage/coach - ex-combine
Royal Palm - 3499 / CNO&TP - 11 bedroom - ex-observation
Saluda River - 2012 / 10-6 sleeper
coach (?) - 3786, 3788
coach - 828, 833
Tiger River - 2017 / 10-6 sleeper
AMTRAK - 2624 / sleeper
coach(?) - 824
diner - 3306
lounge - 2353
Emory River - 3400 / 10-6 sleeper
Royal Court - 2301
coach - 831, 830
business car - 1

Southbound - Atlanta to Birmingham
E-units - 6901, 6909, 6912, 6906
diner - 3309
South Carolina - 766 / crew - dorm - baggage/coach - ex-combine
Royal Palm - 3499 / CNO&TP - 11 bedroom - ex-observation
Saluda River - 2012 / 10-6 sleeper
coach (?) - 3786, 3788
coach - 828, 833
Tiger River - 2017 / 10-6 sleeper
AMTRAK - 2624 / sleeper
coach(?) - 824
dome - 1613
business car - 1


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 Post subject: Re: PRR 4800
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:20 am 

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Location: Laurel Run, Pa.
bobyar2001 wrote:
The first GG1, here at Enola, Pennsylvania in 1976, when everything in sight was being painted red, white and blue:

http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?a ... anColl.jpg


Just visited the Railroad Museum of PA. in December. Its a shame a locomotive as unique as the 4800 sits outside subject to weather, its one of a kind. She should be spruced up and put inside along side 4935. My two cents for what its worth.

Ed K. cp Laurel Run

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 Post subject: Re: PRR 4800
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:07 pm 

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The thing that struck me today about the bicentennial paint on the #4800 is how complex and detailed that paint scheme was compared to the (near-criminal) simplicity of the PC and Conrail black paint schemes, as well as most of what any other railroads were doing at the time. I count as many as eight different colors on the #4800 including possibly two shades each of gold, red, and blue, but NO black, unless you count the pans. The bicentennial paint on #4800 must have required much work, attention to detail, and pride from the shop workers who applied it, and I bet it was a refreshing change for shop workers used to patching PC black and stenciling on leftover 'C's and 'R's. As a graphic designer, I notice there was even an attempt to form the 'CR' into some kind of interlocking logo on the nose, before Conrail got its own official version of 'mating worms'. I wonder which shop painted it? There must be a story there. I think telling that story and contrasting such a complex (albeit gaudy) paint scheme with the 'less is more' philosophies most railroads were embracing at the time would be a interesting thing for RRMPA to do when #4800 is finally displayed again.


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 Post subject: Re: PRR 4800
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:36 pm 

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I'd be willing to be that Wilmington Shop did that job--- there was a LOT of pride and a LOT of talent there, even in the 1970s.

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 Post subject: Re: PRR 4800
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:13 pm 

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Location: Newark, Delaware
I seem to recall Harrisburg.

Tom


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 Post subject: Coffee Cup
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:55 pm 

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Location: Philadelphia, PA
The graphics were copied off a paper vending machine coffee cup that had a bicentenial motiff.

I believe the paint work was done at Enola.

EBL


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 Post subject: Re: Coffee Cup
PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:03 pm 

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Bennett said:

"The graphics were copied off a paper vending machine coffee cup that had a bicentenial motiff."

Well, that puts it all in perspective!


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 Post subject: Re: Coffee Cup
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:06 am 

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So everybody wants a big, oversized COFFEE CUP on display representing the bicentennial. Puhleeze!

Class locomotive - even if it is unique to the class - give it a "class" (no, make that dignified) paint job as she appeared when built.


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 Post subject: Re: Coffee Cup
PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:55 am 

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And how many museum visitors will say "gee, that looks just like the one inside! Why do they have two?"


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