Hi,

Got to thinking just where are all the S-160's in the states.

Is #606, Jack Showalter's "kit", still in Ceonvington, VA?

Rob Davis

superc@monmouth.com

As far as I know, the link below has the current locations of all of the surviving S160's in the US.

Roger

> Hi,

> Got to thinking just where are all the
> S-160's in the states.

> Is #606, Jack Showalter's "kit",
> still in Ceonvington, VA?

> Rob Davis


S-160 Survivers in the US
Belpaire@aol.com

> As far as I know, the link below has the
> current locations of all of the surviving
> S160's in the US.

> Roger

Nice list and photos, but they seem to have overlooked No. 610, which is operable at TVRM.
J. David

jdconrad@snet.net

> Nice list and photos, but they seem to have
> overlooked No. 610, which is operable at
> TVRM.
> J. David

Funny, I only got 1 photo that would display, all the others displayed a "broken image".

Did anyone else get this error?

(Probably, Microsoft does it again; breaking standards)

John Stewart
Ottawa.

john.stewart@crc.ca

I feel this to be almost blasphemy to correct Mr. Conrad on such matters, but alas, while very similar 610 isn't technically an S-160. Different weight, different cylinder size etc.

Roger

> Nice list and photos, but they seem to have
> overlooked No. 610, which is operable at
> TVRM.
> J. David


Belpaire@aol.com

> Funny, I only got 1 photo that would
> display, all the others displayed a
> "broken image".

> Did anyone else get this error?

Yes. If you "view" the source, you'll see that the non-displaying image files all have a ".art" extension. That's a new one on me. The one that does display is ".jpg". It may be some new "trick" in InternetExploiter (or F*Page) to penalize us Netscape users for not paying the Micro$oft tax.

> (Probably, Microsoft does it again; breaking
> standards)

Not sure if you're correct this time, but that's usually a safe bet. (grin)

I've added a link to my photo of the loco in Moses Lake WA.


Washington Steam Railroads and Locomotives

brianfr@speakeasy.org

Is 610 the same machine as ones exported to Mexico (GR-28), Belgium (29 class), Western Europe, and China (KD7) after the war? As you said, they are very similiar, but slightly larger.

-James Hefner
Hebrews 10:20a

> I feel this to be almost blasphemy to
> correct Mr. Conrad on such matters, but
> alas, while very similar 610 isn't
> technically an S-160. Different weight,
> different cylinder size etc.

> Roger


Surviving World Steam Locomotives
james1@pernet.net

I'm certainly no expert on these but I believe the 610 was realy a one off locomotive similar to the S160's and the locomotives you mentioned but not really any of them exactly. One identifying feature of at least the Mexican and Chinese locomotives is the rear driving axle being spaced further apart than the rest, a feature that the 610 lacks. I think the UN engines are the same.

Roger

> Is 610 the same machine as ones exported to
> Mexico (GR-28), Belgium (29 class), Western
> Europe, and China (KD7) after the war? As
> you said, they are very similiar, but
> slightly larger.

> -James Hefner
> Hebrews 10:20a


S-160 Survivers in the US
Belpaire@aol.com

You're right Roger. From all the historical info we were able to collect on the 610, it appears to have been the only one constructed for the USATC in 1952. Among the differences between the 610 (Class As) and the S-160's are boiler pressure (220 psi for the 610 and 225 psi for the S-160's), cylinder diameter (20 inches for the 610 and 19 inches for the S-160's), seam design (both are quadruple riveted but rivet size and spacing give the 610's seams a slightly higher efficiency), safety valve location, air brake system (the 610 was built with a air or vacuum combination), boiler height (610's boiler sits 1 inch higher than an S-160's) and a slight difference in overall weight.

You might say that the 610 was a "new and improved" S-160 when built in 1952. The only question I have often wondered is why was it built?

aw90h@cs.com

Yep, She's still in the weeds that were the Allegheny Central. Since the land has been recently sold, she has to be moved some time soon. Most likely the destination will be the North Fork Lumber Company at Goshen VA, Will Harris has the trucks to move her and space to store her and is also an avid railfan (and a really nice guy). He also has some EMD switchers, what's left of a shay, and a few 0-4-0's. The boiler will have to be separated from the boiler to haul it. We had started removing smokebox blots, unfortunately they aren't tapered, so they don't want to move what so ever. The Idea is to move it in 4 parts, boiler, engine frame, tank, tank frame. But the job has been put on hold because the trailer truck for the 1238 has returned from the machine shop that was putting the roller bearings on it, So that will take precedence in order to make her rail worthy in case he ever has to move.

When she does move I will post some photos.


btrue@vt.edu

Mark, how does the 611 compare with the 610 (other than steam distribution) ?

The Electric City Trolley Museum Association

Ben,

The Shay you are referring to I assume is 3ft gauge McClure Lumber #13, which according to my list was converted to diesel.

However, I don't have any 0-4-0s listed in Goshen. Would you mind providing more details about them? Thanks in advance.

-James Hefner
Hebrews 10:20a

> Yep, She's still in the weeds that were the
> Allegheny Central. Since the land has been
> recently sold, she has to be moved some time
> soon. Most likely the destination will be
> the North Fork Lumber Company at Goshen VA,
> Will Harris has the trucks to move her and
> space to store her and is also an avid
> railfan (and a really nice guy). He also has
> some EMD switchers, what's left of a shay,
> and a few 0-4-0's. The boiler will have to
> be separated from the boiler to haul it. We
> had started removing smokebox blots,
> unfortunately they aren't tapered, so they
> don't want to move what so ever. The Idea is
> to move it in 4 parts, boiler, engine frame,
> tank, tank frame. But the job has been put
> on hold because the trailer truck for the
> 1238 has returned from the machine shop that
> was putting the roller bearings on it, So
> that will take precedence in order to make
> her rail worthy in case he ever has to move.

> When she does move I will post some photos.


Surviving World Steam Locomotives
james1@pernet.net

According to Steam Locomotive.com one of the 0-4-0s is a former Nelson and Albermarle engine, formerly at Marion VA, Will told me he did get it from Marion but said it came from a plant somewhere else (the name escapes me) the other is slowly getting there, its a 3' gauge and I can't remember the history on it either, but part of it is at Goshen the other part is in his field on the other side of the mountain. I don't know what his plans are with the 3' locomotive but he was talking about getting boiler work done on the standard gauge engine. He has about a tenth of a mile of track to play with and about a 5% grade on it so I don't know how much he could do with.

btrue@vt.edu

> The Shay you are referring to I assume is
> 3ft gauge McClure Lumber #13, which
> according to my list was converted to
> diesel.

McClure 13 did indeed get some sort of internal combustion "addon" - whether diesel or something else, I don't know. I'm told that a rather large hole was cut into the side of the firebox to accomodate the "modernization."

You can see the results below, in a photo taken in 1983, when 13 was still on display at the Ol' Shay restaurant (using the term restaurant somewhat loosely) in McClure, VA. I'm sure the paint job is 100% authentic ;-)

JAC