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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:19 am 

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Since it’s been ignored so far I’ll ask the question again..

How many mallets are currently operating?

Big Boy, Skookum, Clover Valley, and the 2 in South Dakota... am I missing any? (Or are some of them not mallets?)


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:32 am 

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Big Boy, Skookum, Clover Valley, and the 2 in South Dakota... am I missing any? (Or are some of them not mallets?)

Big Boy is not a Mallet. It is a simple articulated.


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:41 am 

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Mark Jordan wrote:
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Big Boy, Skookum, Clover Valley, and the 2 in South Dakota... am I missing any? (Or are some of them not mallets?)

Big Boy is not a Mallet. It is a simple articulated.


Thanks. What about Skookum?

I suppose the question could be “how many articulated steam locomotives are in operation.”


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:01 am 

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Skookum is a Mallet.

Is there an operating non-Mallet other than UP 4014?

Phil Mulligan


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:02 am 

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I note that the ONLY folks who have not posted here are the ones who ACTUALLY know the facts. All the rest of this is FOAM. The very same thing we all decry here on a regular basis. Until someone who actually knows the score comments here, we need to simply shut our traps (and lock our keyboards). Let's celebrate a success and not worry about the water that has passed under the dam(n).


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:33 am 

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EJ Berry wrote:
Skookum is a Mallet.

Is there an operating non-Mallet other than UP 4014?

Phil Mulligan


Thanks.

So operating Mallets would be -
#1309 (Maryland)
Skookum (California)
#4 (California)
#110 (South Dakota)
#108 (South Dakota

5 operating mallets plus the Big Boy makes half a dozen articulated steam locomotives operational in 2021. Not bad!


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:47 am 

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Forgot this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6029

Seven more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_W ... ling_stock

Do you count Double Fairlies as articulated?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F ... ling_stock

AND a few South African Garratts are still operable.......


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:58 am 

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Alexander D. Mitchell IV wrote:
Forgot this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6029

Seven more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_W ... ling_stock

Do you count Double Fairlies as articulated?:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F ... ling_stock

AND a few South African Garratts are still operable.......


Thanks!!! I wasn’t looking outside of the USA but those are fantastic!!!

Hopefully I’ll see a few of them in my lifetime!


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I believe there was some grants issued to the #1309. Most grants have goals and time lines that must be accomplished by a certain date or they loose the money. That might have been why it was steamed up recently. California lost a 900 million dollar grant for their high speed rail line as they were too far behind schedule.


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 5:47 am 

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Mark Jordan wrote:
A Mallet is a big, powerful engine, built (generally) for low speed drag freight work. That design usually doesn't lend itself to the current era of tourist train operation. There are more wheels, axles, drive boxes, pistons, rods, brake shoes, and a whole lot of telescoping pipes to tend to as opposed to a "plain ol' steam loco".

Yes, I understand that the operating parameters of WMSR are such that this engine "fits the bill", but just commenting that this is a rare occurrence. I modern day tourist service, it's unusual to find a train long and heavy enough to warrant the expense.


As far as that goes, how many heritage roads could use an engine weighing 268,000 lbs. (544,000 lbs. with tender), with 60,500 lbs. of tractive effort? WMSR 734 is not small by any means. How many other roads could even use something of that size?

And even rarer, how many roads would find an engine that large to be too small, and would need Mallet power?


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:32 am 

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There’s the big boy, the two in South Dakota, and the Clover Valley
at Niles Canyon. Am I missing any other mallets?


Technically while 1309 IS a Mallet, Big Boy is not. Big Boy is an articulated locomotive, but it is not a compound locomotive. On 1309 the steam is used twice. The high pressure cylinder’s exhaust is the sent to larger low pressure cylinder to allow the steam to be used again.


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 8:09 am 

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EJ Berry wrote:
Skookum is a Mallet.

Is there an operating non-Mallet other than UP 4014?

Phil Mulligan


This one is said to be operational.
Image

https://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=242


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R. Hahn wrote:
EJ Berry wrote:
Skookum is a Mallet.

Is there an operating non-Mallet other than UP 4014?

Phil Mulligan


This one is said to be operational.
Image

https://www.steamlocomotive.info/vlocomotive.cfm?Display=242



That is a Mallet.

Mike


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:37 am 

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484Mike wrote:

That is a Mallet.

Mike


You're right, thanks. At a quick glance I thought the front and rear cylinders were the same size.


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 Post subject: Re: “why the hurry to get 1309 steamed by 12/31” I
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A few more working mallets hers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harz_Narrow_Gauge_Railways

Stan


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